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Post by roverman on Sept 14, 2016 20:42:13 GMT
Kyle's been wasted for weeks. I've not even missed him in the storylines.
DTC had to "re-head" Johnny and also brought in a new Belinda, although to be fair that's worked really well.
I don't know how many of the departures are sackings or resignations but SOC must have a plan, I imagine he's looking to bring in another large family, probably from Essex with lots of back stories and secrets.
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Post by J-B on Sept 14, 2016 20:52:36 GMT
I'm glad Kyle is going... The most interesting thing about him was his horrible duck lasagne.
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Post by Lotty27 on Sept 14, 2016 21:26:48 GMT
Might sound a bit hyperbolic but I have a bad feeling about this producer, we might even start looking at the Lorraine Newman era with rosy glasses if this fella don't actually come up with something instead of pruning the cast in a way which does look a bit petty. I know DTC & co left him with a helluva of a mess to clear up what with murderers still walking the square, the decimation of the Beales etc but come on, some of those he's axing are really good (particularly the Cokers).
Axing Kyle is a bad idea to me because it looks like he was used as just an 'issue' storyline and now it's over he can go which is actually a bit insulting to the actor and makes me feel a bit uneasy, connotations of the Victorian freak show. He's Stacey's brother, there's life in this character yet as there's still a couple of sisters we haven't met plus Denise Welch who was excellent as his mum (if she wanted to come back). It's not that the actor is particularly good or the the character sets the world on fire it's more what he represents - Stacey's family and she has precious little left on the square nowadays. There was nothing wrong with keeping him as a more background character.
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Post by CAEF on Sept 14, 2016 21:33:11 GMT
I wish he would axe Jane and Carmel instead of Les and Pam.
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Post by foxsterhotpot on Sept 15, 2016 16:38:15 GMT
Not particularly enjoying the way the new producer is just picking off DTC characters straight away when I think some of them have a lot more potential when given the right material which is what should be focused on first IMO. If they're still not working, then axe them. For example I wasn't too keen on Les and Pam but since they have been given good material with Paul's death and the aftermath, I have really enjoyed watching them and think the acting has been great. I think at least Lee and Kyle have more to offer, although Claudette is more problematic due to them making her a historic murderer. Would rather they gave Kyle more to do and maybe introduce one of his sisters, to expand the Slaters a bit more. Ronnie and Roxy have been tired and burnt out for a while now, they were wiser axings IMO.
I dont think the show is in a particularly great state at the moment and I want to be optimistic about a new producer and a new vision for the show but I really hope he has more plans than just axing a bunch of easy targets and a couple of longer term characters, the problems at the show run deeper than that.
Also, agree RE McBeale, the character has been destroyed and might as well just go.
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Post by Holey on Sept 17, 2016 17:06:42 GMT
I have just had this thought, I know Jay has gone out of the show, but I don't think this is permanent, I suspect Jamie is just taking a small breather. I don't think Ben will be a match, I wonder if Jay gets tested and for some reason he is a match and gives Phil part of his Liver and this brings Jay back into the fold?
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Post by Lotty27 on Sept 17, 2016 17:51:20 GMT
I have just had this thought, I know Jay has gone out of the show, but I don't think this is permanent, I suspect Jamie is just taking a small breather. I don't think Ben will be a match, I wonder if Jay gets tested and for some reason he is a match and gives Phil part of his Liver and this brings Jay back into the fold? If I was Jay I'd have to seriously sit and ponder whether old tomato head was worth it after the way he's treated him, it's a dangerous op for the donor too and I honestly don't think I'd risk it for someone like Phil who only wanted him when he couldn't cope with having a gay son who liked musicals and not 'manly' things like boxing. That said though it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this is what happens and in a way (if they all survive) it would be interesting to see the aftermath as Jay will always have the moral upper hand over Phil who treated Jay like muck yet Jay still did that heroic thing for him and saved his life. But like I say, I'd rather be out of the fold thank you very much lol!
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Post by roverman on Sept 17, 2016 20:17:38 GMT
I'm predicting Ben won't be a match, Phil will naturally assume he ain't his father and go on an almighty bender, rendering himself almost dead. Jay will do a test on the off chance and be a perfect match with staff saying things like "we've never seen such a close match before". But he'll make Phil wait until the last dying minute before saying yes.
That's my guess anyway
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Post by kitkat1971 on Sept 17, 2016 20:19:33 GMT
In principle, being a donor is an altruistic thing and when you are talking about saving somebody's life with an organ that can regenerate within you, it shouldn't bear much consideration.
But, the recovery time for a Liver donation is a long one, there is always a risk to any Surgery and there must be a reason that live Liver Lobe donation is still relatively rare and not the first thing suggested to people that need a Transplant in the same way kidney or bone marrow donation is - ie, you can go on the waiting list for a Cadaver Transplant or it is possible that a relative might be a match. Logic would say that it must present more danger to the Donor or perhaps the success rate is not as good for the Recipient. An awful thing to say, but maybe the Donor does,'t appreciate the second chance they've been given if it comes too easily and they are more likely to start drinking again?
Sadly, i suspect that Phil would see no moral responsibility over it at all. He'd just have a "it was his choice, he did it, i'm not spending the rest of my life thanking him" attitude.
So, whilst it might sound horrible, I really don't think Phil deserves to have anybod risk their life and long term health to save him. Especially not Jay who he has treated appallingly at times, not just over Star but Heather's death as well. He pressured Jay into keeping quiet, then let him take full blame for the cover up and chucked him out after Ben was arrested.
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Post by Lotty27 on Sept 18, 2016 17:04:10 GMT
Aunt Babe's leaving now too according to the The Sun but by the sounds of it the door's left open for a return.
Surely the right time for her to leave would have been when Mick and Linda found out about her blackmailing the Cokers? I've never known such a weak ending to a long running storyline that made viewers indignant at what the old trout was doing. Babe really needed to face some strong retribution for that but we were deprived, I don't call her being locked in the fridge'freezer and frightened out of her wits for a few hours any kind of karma.
Mick turfing her onto the street telling her to never show her face again, everyone else on the square giving her the cold shoulder (as Claudette had spread the word) with the police turning up to arrest her would have had much more punch. As it is Mick and Linda look nearly as bad as her for almost condoning her actions by keeping her there! But hey, she can cook so that makes her useful doesn't it? *roll eyes*
And we never did see her apology to the Cokers or any hint that she was going to pay back what she'd effectively stolen from them.
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Post by Lotty27 on Sept 18, 2016 17:07:05 GMT
Right SOC, can you tell us what your plans are now that you've removed what you consider to be the deadwood? I'd like to hear of some new signings to replace the leavers or some idea of what he's got planned instead of a feeling of negativity as he's wielding his DTC-inspired axe!
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Post by CAEF on Sept 18, 2016 18:30:08 GMT
Masood is not deadwood. Nor is Babe really as she is a lady you love to hate.
Yet SOC is keeping proper deadwood such as Jane, Shakhil and Carmel.
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Post by kitkat1971 on Sept 18, 2016 18:45:46 GMT
I'm really getting quite concerned about all these axings and the fact that they are all DTC creations (i think) from either of his two tenures is making it seem rather personal.
How long till Vincent and Donna are gone as well?
I'm not saying you should keep characters on if they are not working but most of them are. It is also a pet hate of mine when Producers just come in and reverse everything their predecessor did. They then introduce their own creations who we have to spend a good year bedding in, they just start getting interesting (or at least bearable) and the next EP comes in and axes them and the whole process starts again.
Hardly surprising there are so few long term, legacy characters for the last 15 years or so. The slaters are probably the last ones.
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Post by kitkat1971 on Sept 18, 2016 18:51:45 GMT
I think Nitin quit and i can't really blame him as he does have very little to do these days.
It's not his fault and Masood shouldn't be deadwood as he is a great character played by a fantastic actor but sadly, the actors olaying his family choosing to leave one by one has really limited what they can do with him.
I think that the biggest blow other than Nina Wadia, was probably Rakhee leaving after only a year. They'd gone to quite a lot of trouble to rebuild the family with Shabnam, Kush and Jade and they could have gone from strength to strength with mas at the head of the family but they could hardly recast her for a third time.
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Post by Lotty27 on Sept 18, 2016 21:27:13 GMT
Masood is not deadwood. Nor is Babe really as she is a lady you love to hate. Yet SOC is keeping proper deadwood such as Jane, Shakhil and Carmel. Masood hasn't been axed but is a resignation I think. Can hardly blame him. Although I would have liked to have seen Babe pay for her crimes I'd also have liked her to come back a bit watered down, she got too cartoonish at the end. But axing the Cokers is a huge mistake IMO.
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