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Post by CAEF on Apr 10, 2016 18:59:46 GMT
If he was jailed in 1964 for homosexuality then he must have been over 18 at least, or was it 21? John Bowe is 66, born 1950 but Larry must be a good 5 or more years older. His exact age has never been stated but he must have been born before 1946. I hope we do get to find out how old he is exactly soon, in the past characters seemed to be given a DOB before arriving.
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Post by butterball on Apr 11, 2016 6:29:44 GMT
I reckon he is early 70's. Douggie from the Rovers has been a big disappointment since he joined as Lawrence White who had a fling with Edna's gay husband. When is Edna's death going to be acknowledged by the way?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 6:42:02 GMT
The best way to "guesstimate" Dougie's age is to allow him, say ten years for every heart attack he's had.
So by my calculations, that makes him 260.
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Post by kitkat1971 on Apr 11, 2016 11:28:35 GMT
He's clearl older than John Bowe - indeed the age Lawrence must be due to his history of imprisonment prior to the decriminilisation of homosexualtiy was my one quibble with Bowe's casting who would be too young for that and i think looks good for his age.
Pretty sure 21 was the age of consent for everything back then except of course homosexualtiy didn't have an age of consent at all. Yo_'d think he'd have been treated more leniantly if he was under 21 though, viewed as a victim rather than predator (as he clearly was, Edna's husband didn't go to Prison) so I'm guessing he was over 21 but maybe not by much.
I'd guesstimate a birth date of about 1941 or 1942 so mid 70s. I doubt he's much older than that or he'd have had to have done National Service and I do,'t get the impression he's had a military background at all or his sexuality would have reared it's head there as well.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Apr 12, 2016 18:38:01 GMT
I seriously doubt the show even has any idea how old the character is meant to be smiley-huh
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Post by kitkat1971 on Apr 12, 2016 19:09:10 GMT
I seriously doubt the show even has any idea how old the character is meant to be smiley-huh I suspect you're right. As we've been discussing on the spoiler thread earlier today, I think they just came up with what they thought was a good storyline (and to be fair, although it is a minefield re getting things wrong and causing offence, the long term after effects to how people who suffered when homosexuality was illegal is an interesting and potentially worthwhile storyline), they haven't really thought through the dates, timings, what exactly happened to him re aversion therapy and when, his relationship with men and women since that time and have also cast an actor, who whilst very good in everything i've ever seen in him and who has made Lawrence multi latered and interesting, is clearly too young for the role. They've done the same thing with Emma Barton. Her back story doesn't make sense re what age she married, had the kids, went to university and/or trained as a Nurse and how she could be so ilated and neglected looking after the kids if she were either studying or working. She's not old enough to have fully trained before having them so maybe she did it after leaving but James has mentioned them going out whilst she was at college. But she is meant to have been stuck at home on her own all day with 3 young babies? Also again, Kearney is a wonderful actress and has created an interesting character but she is clearly too young to be their Mother. Yes, if she is 44 (Kearney's real age) then Ross and Finn are just about possible (if she were a teenage mum which mucks up the college thing) but not Pete unless he is meant to be much younger than the actor actually is and looks.
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Post by CAEF on Apr 25, 2016 21:34:09 GMT
As said, Lawrence looks like he was about 3 years old in 1964 when he was jailed, and the youngest ever convict lol.
A better choice of actor would have been Alan Rothwell, born in 1937.
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Post by kitkat1971 on May 15, 2016 13:53:30 GMT
We found out Edna's age on Friday, 79 - does this give us a better indication of Lawrence's if we assume them to be contempories?
I remembered she had the same birthday as me (2nd April) and I think the plaque must have said 1937. It looked like 57 but that's impossible so the dirt must have just obscured it.
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Post by CAEF on May 15, 2016 15:15:11 GMT
He may be rich and has had plastic surgery. Surely he cannot be almost 80 though??
I reckon he was born 1941-1943.
If they had waited a few more months they could have cast Tim West in the role once he left Easties, he looks his age.
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Post by kitkat1971 on May 15, 2016 15:56:31 GMT
Well, My Dad is nearly 79 and whilst he doesn't look as young as Lawrence (there is no getting away from the fact that Bowe is much younger than that) i wouldn't say he looks nearly 80 either. People are looking much younger these days, I have an Uncle who is nearly 90 but keeps very fit (cycles miles every day as an example) and good easily pass for being early 70s. Other people i know of 80ish look much, much older so everybody is different.
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Post by roverman on May 15, 2016 16:31:10 GMT
I think they've dropped a clanger making Edna 79, Shirley was only 74. Lawrence could be 70-72 at a push making him 18-20 back in 1964, was he imprisoned instead of Harold? If so, why?
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Post by kitkat1971 on May 15, 2016 16:40:19 GMT
I have an issue with the idea that he was imprisoned if under the age of 21. Of course, there was no legal age of consent for homosexuality (the whole point) but it was 21 for virtually everything else back then so i really think that he would have been seen as a victim rather than a predator had he been that young.
From what I remember, Harold claimed that Lawrence had seduced him and he'd basically been co-erced which is why he escaped Prison and the book was thrown at Lawrence. Again, suggesting that Lawrence was old enough for it to be believable that he'd been the aggressor in the situation - unlikely if he were the younger of the couple.
I think Lawrence should be about 80 - everything of the story suggests that to be his logical age but they'?e cast somebody too young so are trying to hedge it.
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Post by Lotty27 on May 15, 2016 17:30:16 GMT
Got to agree, my mum doesn't look anywhere near 80, we've had several nurses double checking her D.O.B. as they think they've got it wrong! I suppose it helps that she has quite a modern tapered bob haircut, is still slim and wears what I would call 'middle-aged' rather than old people clothes. The fact that she's never smoked and is practically tee-total might have helped too (sod looking young, I refuse to give up alcohol lol!)
I think we just have to accept that Lawrence is supposed to be a fine specimen for his age looking years younger than he is!
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Post by Lotty27 on May 15, 2016 17:35:03 GMT
Yes I remember Lawrence saying that he'd been seen as the aggressor, the one who seduced a happily married man into a gay relationship. As if! But I can only surmise that Edna's husband is supposed to have pleaded that he was going back to his wife, he wasn't really gay, he'd been led astray and he'd never look at another man again but it's still ridiculous that HE escaped any punishment whatsoever yet they locked up the under age (as in age of adulthood) young man up! Ludicrous! I wouldn't mind betting that if we sifted through historical law records that cases like this were extremely rare if not non-existent! They've wanted to cover an 'issue' but haven't really done their homework IMO.
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Post by kitkat1971 on May 15, 2016 18:45:06 GMT
I don't know the details of the case and there were additional circumstances in Wilde being dieliksed by the Establishment so they were more likely to make an example of him, but iirc, his young lover (the one played by Jude Law in the film) didn't face Prison time as he was seen as having been corrupted by an older, deviant man.
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