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Post by kitkat1971 on Jan 16, 2016 17:47:50 GMT
Do you mean inside or outside of the House?
Inside the House, the Darren nomination is the main thing but also some (well Megan and Gemma) think he was wrong to take charge on Monday and believe he was ordering them to isolate Tiffany.
Outside the House, people believe him to be two faced (being friends with Angie and Darren and nominating), controlling, bossy and manipulative.
I think all of the above is probably true to a certain extent - he is an Alpha Male, he does assume 'natural' leadership and responsibility. It has been happening since the first night when BB asked the people that felt they were natural leaders to stand up but they didn't mind then, when it meant him suffering being locked in a box for however long whilst they got their suitcases, food, booze and comfortable beds. Also, BB seem to often put him in that role - several times when they"'ve sent instructions in (like how winston was going to be evicted) they specifically said "John, please collect the envelopes, read the instructions...".
Re the situation on Monday, i do think he was harsh on Tiffany later on when she seemed to have calmed down, and even earlier when people like Kristina and Daniella were saying they felt scared and she should go, he should have gone into the DR, or even better told them to go into the DR to tell BB how they felt so they could call tiffany in, not go and talk to her himself, saying people wanted her to leave.
But, I can see why he took charge as he was the only one that knew the truth of the situation (angie was in the DR, David was asleep) so really he was the only one that could clear it up and try and calm it down.
Megan - he answered her back and queried her assertion that she "clears up everybody's shit" by saying she didn't do his. And I don't blame him for that. Nothing worse than having somebody play the Martry when they are not actually doing what they claim to be doing.
I think it is basically that they think he is arrogant and a bit of a know it all and they don't like somebody 'bossing them around'.
I don't think Megan is all that either. Yes, she is pretty but not very natural (lot of fillers) and i agree, her personality is beginning to colour my view of her as i don't see the prettiness, i just see the sulk and face contorting with rage.
I'm actually beginning to think that tiffany is prettier, at least when calm. And Steph has beautiful eyes and smile.
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Post by Lotty27 on Jan 16, 2016 18:42:16 GMT
Thanks KK, I meant in the house and it was puzzling me as I couldn't work out what he had done that was so bad to deserve such scorn off the likes of Gemma who I reckon needs to watch herself because the rest are starting to pick up on her spitefulness and two-facedness (is that a word? lol!). I don't know if John pulled a face when she was dancing or not but the others weren't really having it, or thought she was making a mountain out of a molehill, and even started walking away from her in the smoking area. She's not nearly as clever as she thinks she is and I enjoyed Danniella gently letting her know that she had her card marked. Mind you, after the cheering for her which she heard, the posing in the sunglasses and victory signs I think she thinks she's unbeatable now lol! Thanks for the info about him in the outside world too. I can imagine there's a touch of 'bitch' to him lol! He's a good son though. I was of the opinion that he picked Darren as he thought being a bloke who he already knew he would just shrug it off (and many would have done, Angie did) but he made the mistake of mentioning a sensitive man's addictions very publicly and I think that upset Darren more than if he had just said something generic such as "I'm nominating Darren because I think he can take it" or other some such nonsense. I know if I was in Darren's position I wouldn't have liked a light shone on my demons in front of everyone, but perhaps John (as Angie said) was being a real friend and was worried about Darren succumbing to the drink through the pressure keg atmosphere in that house if he'd already taken up smoking? If so there were other ways to do it, like seeing Darren privately. And let's not forget Gemma in this, she turned on him last night for it yet I definitely remember her implying at the time that John was right because one addiction can lead to another! (I hope the others remember this). I don't know, the jury's out with me on this one. Cards on the table, I don't mind him. He either has an almost zen-like natural calmness or he's well in control of his emotions and I respect him for that much more than I respect screeching, indulgent banshees like Megan who can't express/explain themselves in the face of reason so kick off like toddlers. I can see he's a natural born leader and we need them in life. The rest were quite happy to follow him at first but now they're settled and are bonding with different people they are feeling more confident and are turning on him. There's mutiny! A revolt! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Strange to me that the men seem quite happy to 'follow' him (or don't seem as irritated Darren aside) but it's the women who are revolting against his so-called 'leadership'? I wonder why? I think my favourite at the moment is David who tries to share his wisdom with the younger ones, who listen politely it has to be said, but then just end up doing what they like lol! Like someone said on BOTS it takes something for DAVID GEST to appear to be one of the normal ones in the house (I love Stephanie's eye make up, it looks really professional and suits her eyes and as much as I hate comparing girls she wipes the floor with Megan facially. Grrrrrr, bitch, well jel etc etc ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) )
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Post by wallis on Jan 16, 2016 19:13:36 GMT
Thanks KK, I meant in the house and it was puzzling me as I couldn't work out what he had done that was so bad to deserve such scorn off the likes of Gemma who I reckon needs to watch herself because the rest are starting to pick up on her spitefulness and two-facedness (is that a word? lol!). I don't know if John pulled a face when she was dancing or not but the others weren't really having it, or thought she was making a mountain out of a molehill, and even started walking away from her in the smoking area. She's not nearly as clever as she thinks she is and I enjoyed Danniella gently letting her know that she had her card marked. Mind you, after the cheering for her which she heard, the posing in the sunglasses and victory signs I think she thinks she's unbeatable now lol! Thanks for the info about him in the outside world too. I can imagine there's a touch of 'bitch' to him lol! He's a good son though. I was of the opinion that he picked Darren as he thought being a bloke who he already knew he would just shrug it off (and many would have done, Angie did) but he made the mistake of mentioning a sensitive man's addictions very publicly and I think that upset Darren more than if he had just said something generic such as "I'm nominating Darren because I think he can take it" or other some such nonsense. I know if I was in Darren's position I wouldn't have liked a light shone on my demons in front of everyone, but perhaps John (as Angie said) was being a real friend and was worried about Darren succumbing to the drink through the pressure keg atmosphere in that house if he'd already taken up smoking? If so there were other ways to do it, like seeing Darren privately. And let's not forget Gemma in this, she turned on him last night for it yet I definitely remember her implying at the time that John was right because one addiction can lead to another! (I hope the others remember this). I don't know, the jury's out with me on this one. Cards on the table, I don't mind him. He either has an almost zen-like natural calmness or he's well in control of his emotions and I respect him for that much more than I respect screeching, indulgent banshees like Megan who can't express/explain themselves in the face of reason so kick off like toddlers. I can see he's a natural born leader and we need them in life. The rest were quite happy to follow him at first but now they're settled and are bonding with different people they are feeling more confident and are turning on him. There's mutiny! A revolt! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Strange to me that the men seem quite happy to 'follow' him (or don't seem as irritated Darren aside) but it's the women who are revolting against his so-called 'leadership'? I wonder why? I think my favourite at the moment is David who tries to share his wisdom with the younger ones, who listen politely it has to be said, but then just end up doing what they like lol! Like someone said on BOTS it takes something for DAVID GEST to appear to be one of the normal ones in the house (I love Stephanie's eye make up, it looks really professional and suits her eyes and as much as I hate comparing girls she wipes the floor with Megan facially. Grrrrrr, bitch, well jel etc etc ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) ) He is my favourite too Lotts. I loved him on IAC and he is shining on CBB. I don't think he will win because the public who do vote will probably go for one of the younger Housemates and if one of them is going to win I hope it will be Scotty T. I didn't take to him at the start due to his reputation of bedding over 400 girls but he is actually coming over as a reasonably well balanced young man who gets on with everyone. As for Gemma she is playing to the cameras (which she admits herself) and is hopefully about to trip herself up. Apparently the feud with John continues tonight. I think she sees him as a potential winner and is breaking her neck to ensure that he is booted out as soon as possible thereby moving herself into a better position to win.
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Post by kitkat1971 on Jan 16, 2016 20:08:07 GMT
I don't mind John either.
I'?e already said that I think he has made some mistakes and can over a little 'lecturey' which would probably wind me up a little. But i think if you approach him in the right way, he will respond reasonably and he is over half the young uns age so he will have more wisdom, 'know more' and i suppose sometimes that will come over as patronizing or condescending.
Whilst caring got a sick relative doesn't automatically make you a great person, I do have a lot of respect for somebody like John who gives up their career (and from what i can make outn much of his life) to assume full time care for their Parent - especially when it is something like Dementia.
I suspect that even if he didn't have a firm control over his temper before that experience, he is going to have had to learn it then as the one thing you absolutely can not do when caring for somebody with Dementia is allow your frustration or anger at the situation and the things they are doing/saying show as they just won't understand and they"ll get worse.
Also, i suspect he has had to learn to be calm as he is openly gay, sometimes a bit camp, but also tall and we'll built, he has probably had people trying to pick fights with him from a young age and if he doesn't want to get into actual physical fights, he'll have had to learn to shrug it off or answer back in a non confrontational way.
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Post by kitkat1971 on Jan 16, 2016 20:13:17 GMT
I think Darren would be fine if Gemma didn't keep stirring about it. She is the one undermining his confidence now by saying things like "it could affect your career" (which i don't believe for a second, obviously there are no class A drugs in there, it's obvious he's not drinking when the others do but is smoking from the highlights so it's not as though nobody would have known if John hadn't said anything). He and John seem fine with each other on the live feed, for example I saw Darren asking John to show him how the Oven works last night!!!!!
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Post by kitkat1971 on Jan 17, 2016 0:07:16 GMT
Good for Daniella.
It may have been triggered as a bitchy remark in response to a perceived slight but she was spot on saying that about Steph's boyfriend. I'm amazed nobody has said something before.
Steph's reaction is unbelievable. If she wasn't behaving like that, there would be nothing for Danni to have said. She's just told the truth, that it isn't acceptable behaviour for somebody in a relationship, her boyfriend probably won't like it and might have dumped her and if he has any sense he will have.
Steph and BB aren't ruining your relationship or making your family ashamed, you are.
Gemma continues to be a shit stirring, loathsome cow. It's okay for her to play a game because shek4 here to entertain on a television show but not John. Butting in again when John and Darren were talking. Trying to get Daniella to "say what they've been doing on camera". Kicking off in the task. Task Gemma, not Game.
Megan being "don't be like tht tiff, it's only a game". I bet she'd have kicked off if she'd been nominated, not shrugged it off and hugged the person responsible.
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Post by Lotty27 on Jan 17, 2016 2:05:19 GMT
Catching up on the programme now and I literally cannot believe the way Gemma is behaving in that task. Did no one ever teach her to laugh at herself? If they'd called me lazy I'd have probably laughed and agreed (it looks true anyway). Then she's bigging herself up ("I'm the most dramatic person who has given them (us) entertainment" smiley-yikes - did you see the others faces?) then insulting the ones who do clean as "some people have to cook, clean and do shit all day 'cos they got nothing else about them". Way to win friends and influence people, that's nasty, her true colours are coming out. If she wants to leave, good (hope she can afford to lose her fee) Gemma was a pain in the arse on I'm A Celeb, she's a pain in the arse on this. She's just a pain in the arse isn't she? LOL at Danniella "ego obsessed bunch of wallies!" smiley-biglaugh I'm liking her more and more. If she thinks she's done wrong to someone she'll tell them straight to their face and try to explain but has the attitude that if they want to be offended, go ahead but she'll not lose any sleep over it. I must admit ( sorry KK) but she made me laugh when Gemma asked if they'd done 'fingering and all that' and Danniella answered "nah, nothing like that, she ain't from Essex love" Stephanie should be less bothered by what people SAY in the house and more bothered about what she DOES. Is there a screw loose with her somewhere that she just doesn't get it? On about Danniella 'dropping her in it' What? There's cameras all over the house! Wait until she gets out and finds out that the object of her affections is a fake Mr Ireland and no more a celeb than I am! No wonder he's all over her like a rash, he's imagining all the OK shoots and newspaper interviews he'll be coining it in for either in a 'I was lead on by a femme fatale' or 'it's true love' headline which will at least make him micro celeb I suppose. And we can definitely see why Stephanie chose Danniella for her killer nomination eh? Vindictive. Scotty is trying to tell Jeremy isn't he? I'm not quite sure what this 'grafting' is but I can imagine it won't cover Stephanie in glory. Do what you like if you're single, no problem, but not if you're supposed to be in a monogamous relationship. John should know what the crowd is like at Big Brother evictions and take not a blind it of notice. They were booing poor Nancy last night who had done absolutely nothing to deserve it, it's pantomime. Poor Christopher, he tries to be the peace maker but he never seems to get anywhere OMG, it's sad to see isn't it? Stephanie is treating Jeremy like her pet dog with a "come here boy", he pretends to ignore her, she says it again and little doggie goes running for his 'cuddle' free-rolleye-smileys-323
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Post by Lotty27 on Jan 17, 2016 2:16:49 GMT
He is my favourite too Lotts. I loved him on IAC and he is shining on CBB. I don't think he will win because the public who do vote will probably go for one of the younger Housemates and if one of them is going to win I hope it will be Scotty T. I didn't take to him at the start due to his reputation of bedding over 400 girls but he is actually coming over as a reasonably well balanced young man who gets on with everyone. As for Gemma she is playing to the cameras (which she admits herself) and is hopefully about to trip herself up. Apparently the feud with John continues tonight. I think she sees him as a potential winner and is breaking her neck to ensure that he is booted out as soon as possible thereby moving herself into a better position to win. I agree Wallis, I judged Scotty from his love life history too and he reminded me of all the lads like him that you get down the Bigg Market (notorious drinking hole in Newcastle) being riotous, looking brainless and puking into the drains etc. Now I bet Scotty's done that but that's not all there is to him, he's perceptive, he's honest and he tries to help. If I was his mam watching I'd be embarrassed about his sexual antics but I'd mainly be proud to have a son with those attributes. Still laughing at David just standing around a lot of the time looking bemused ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) I bet he dines out for a long time on his stories from the BB house! I agree that this time one of the younger ones will probably win and like you I'd rather it was Scotty than the other three (i.e. Steph, Jeremy, Megan).
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Post by kitkat1971 on Jan 17, 2016 4:27:38 GMT
No offence taken Lotty.
It goes back to the 'Essex Girl' jokes of the 90s and most Essex Girls that aren't pompous, spoilt, up themselves Princesses' like Megan and Gemma always saw the funny side of them. It doesn't apply to the majority of Essex Girls but there are some like that so fair enough.
All that stereotype of the white stilettos, permed blonde hair, dancing round handbag and being stupid and loose originated from the type of girl 'Essex Man' (Yobs that had made "loadsamoney" in the building or plumbing trade and voted Tory after buying their Council House for peanuts in the early 80s) married.
And sadly, Megan and Gemma actually fall into that category.
Danni was eastend born (Walthamstow) but brought up in Loughton which is Essex and Pretty close to Birds of a Feather land so she knows what she is talking about re Essex stereotypes.
I'd say she was poking fun at the stereotype and the likes of the crowd Gemma mixes with on TOWIE.
I'm going to Liverpool next week (funeral, seems like the only reason I go anywhere these days) so might ask their opinion on our fair Stephanie.
I can't bare the thought of any of the 'young ones' winning except Scotty T.
I'd much rather it was, in order, David, Daniella, Angie, John, Darren.
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Post by kitkat1971 on Jan 17, 2016 5:07:14 GMT
Oh this might be a minor thing as well, and maybe a sign of 'controlling' but John brought all the Nominated And Saved Housemates suitcases back from the Store room to the Bedroom once it was opened last night. All of them, the girls that took such pains to nominate him, or say they would have if they'd been able, Jeremy and Angie's. And it whilst he was doing this that Darren came to ask him about the Oven!
You could argue they'd have gone and got the cases themselves (except Steph was smoking at the time, moaning about how she couldn't get her stuff, if she cared that much she'd have gone in when they announced the Store Room was open) and as they have wheels and it is a flat floor, not really a big deal to get them. But he still did it, and it saved a job for those housemate's, if only a small one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 8:52:01 GMT
John is scum. Little gestures in view of the camera do not disguise what he really is. A frightened man who looks for opportunities to make other people look bad whilst pretending to be helpful.
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck, Jerry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 10:25:20 GMT
I didnt understand why Gemma was kicking off and crying in that task yesterday? I agree with the post that she is loathsome and I dont understand why after she walks out the Jungle - I really hope she didnt get paid - they offer her a place in the House. That common voice of hers is really beginning to grate. I am also disliking Tiffany again, with all her blurb about only a coward would hold it against you for nominating, its just a game blablabla, only to slate Jermy (who looked rather scared) in the diary room and refuse to give him a hug. Has anyone noticed that David did not take part in that task and seems to disappear for periods of time?
And I know I am going to get slated for this but I cannot understand all this furore about Steph 'cheating' on her boyfriend, the very cocky model Sam Reece, who appeared in the programme First Dates if anyone watches it, she is not married to him, has only been going out with him for a few months. They are young and sexually charged and you can see Jeremy is pretty besotted with her. A few kisses and cuddles have been blown out of proporton for headlines by the shock horror brigade (and probably Sam himself for the press attention) IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 12:43:31 GMT
A stage managed attempt to make money from magazine stories.
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Post by Lotty27 on Jan 17, 2016 17:32:36 GMT
Ha, no slating from me @bluebell! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) But it has to be said that Stephanie herself is making a bigger fuss about it than anyone else, it's her that's kicking off at people for 'dropping her in it', blaming Big Brother for breaking up her relationship, someone in the house said yesterday that she's always running to the diary room to talk about her relationship! She is shining a bigger light than on it than anyone else (not forgetting going in the house talking about how much she loves her boyfriend!) Which is why I tend to agree with Mousey, I think she's a little hustler and knows exactly what she's doing and she's doing it for column inches (leading to lucrative interviews/mag shoots when she gets out). She's playing an iffy game though because the woman always gets the blame, always her reputation tarnished by the majority. Just look at Friday's idiot eviction audience? A lot boos for her, not nearly so many for Jeremy but if a woman was doing what he is she'd be getting slaughtered! Apparently her boyfriend wasn't at the eviction on Friday night but who knows? If he's like what you say they could have concocted this between them, loads of publicity because she's been all over another bloke (they'd know there'd be at least one young, half-decent looking bloke she could attach herself to), he'll tweet a few random comments and then the inevitable 're-united' photo shoot where they wax lyrical how they're more in love than ever blah blah blah to_vomit I'm such a cynic
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Post by Lotty27 on Jan 17, 2016 17:35:15 GMT
Oh this might be a minor thing as well, and maybe a sign of 'controlling' but John brought all the Nominated And Saved Housemates suitcases back from the Store room to the Bedroom once it was opened last night. All of them, the girls that took such pains to nominate him, or say they would have if they'd been able, Jeremy and Angie's. And it whilst he was doing this that Darren came to ask him about the Oven! You could argue they'd have gone and got the cases themselves (except Steph was smoking at the time, moaning about how she couldn't get her stuff, if she cared that much she'd have gone in when they announced the Store Room was open) and as they have wheels and it is a flat floor, not really a big deal to get them. But he still did it, and it saved a job for those housemate's, if only a small one. Well if that's not controlling and playing games I don't know what is? The rotter! He was obviously just doing it to wind them up, bastard!
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