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Post by Zeus89 on Apr 8, 2017 12:59:18 GMT
My question is, as a long term emmerdale fan, what is the deal with Zak, Shadrack and Faith. Zak and Shadrack was both abusive to there kids, Sam made a comment once about how much of a bad dad Zak was. But Faith is one I'm struggling with, was she physically abusive to Chas and Cain?
Or was she more emotionally and mentally abusive?
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Post by Zeus89 on Apr 8, 2017 20:20:44 GMT
Well that died😂😂
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Post by wallis on Apr 8, 2017 22:02:09 GMT
Sorry Zeus nobody's talking to you on this thread. As far as I'm aware both Shadrack and Faith didn't physically abuse Cain or Chas, they just neglected them. She was a bad mother and he loved the booze too much. I'm sure there were a few extra-marital affairs for both of them. Faith had a fling with Zak which resulted in Cain and Shadrack had an affair with Gennie's mother but she died in childbirth and Gennie was adopted. Shadrack had a good heart as we remember from Laurel giving birth to Daniel and how he helped deliver him and was so distraught when he died. I suspect the PTB are retconning the whole past history.  |
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Post by Teeks on Apr 8, 2017 22:39:01 GMT
Come on Emmerdale scholars, where are you?  I wish I could help, but I've only been watching since 2011. |
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Post by Charley Says... on Apr 8, 2017 22:52:32 GMT
Hang on...
Two points...
Did Laurel give birth to Daniel or was it Arthur...?
And Z...
Don't worry...
I've had to wait weeks for a response to my threads...
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Post by Zeus89 on Apr 8, 2017 22:57:25 GMT
Hang on... Two points... Did Laurel give birth to Daniel or was it Arthur...? And Z... Don't worry... I've had to wait weeks for a response to my threads... Sharack didn't accept Arthur even though that was the baby he delivered, he was always obsessed with baby Daniel. |
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Post by CAEF on Apr 9, 2017 11:51:40 GMT
Was it a retcon or a revelation? I think as it happened before they arrived, who knows what Shads did before he arrived. He may have raped small donkeys for all we know.
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Post by Zeus89 on Apr 9, 2017 14:58:46 GMT
Was it a retcon or a revelation? I think as it happened before they arrived, who knows what Shads did before he arrived. He may have raped small donkeys for all we know. I think it was a retcon really, we knew he mistreated them, but not to the extent they say know. |
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Post by Lotty27 on Apr 9, 2017 16:59:27 GMT
I always just saw Shadders as a pathetic old drunk, I remember being shocked when I heard them talking about physically badly treating his kids (rather being neglectful due to the drink). I'm sure they didn't start talking about any cruelty until the character had been killed off but I could be wrong about that. So yes I think it's a bit of retcon.
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Post by Teeks on Apr 9, 2017 18:16:40 GMT
A retcon to make Cain a more tortured, sympathetic thug no doubt and give him an excuse for his numerous crimes.  He now thinks every drunk is just like Shadrach as if the world is that simple  . I remember when he tried to force Laurel out of the village for Moron's sake because he thought Laurel was just like Shadrach. Anyway, although I didn't watch every episode when Shadrach was in the show, I remember him being a harmless, pathetic drunk but not violent. And I find it strange that Chas would have been so forgiving and nice to Shadrach if he was violent towards her and Cain as children. And yet, the way she treats Faith - you'd think she was the abusive parent. However, I do believe Chas's resentment towards Faith stems from abandonment as opposed to any form of abuse she suffered at her hands. Her relationship with Shadrach seemed to be quite warm and affectionate and there was never any hint of him having a history of violence. So it does seem to be a retcon. |
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Post by Zeus89 on Apr 9, 2017 18:32:21 GMT
I always just saw Shadders as a pathetic old drunk, I remember being shocked when I heard them talking about physically badly treating his kids (rather being neglectful due to the drink). I'm sure they didn't start talking about any cruelty until the character had been killed off but I could be wrong about that. So yes I think it's a bit of retcon. Yes I think it's weird how they did this especially after killing him off, if they did it when he was alive would have been more interesting. On another note Cain blamed Zak once for not stopping Shadrack, but Zak by his own admission was abusive to his kids too. I think Sam suffered the least for obvious reasons, but he even suffered at Zaks hands. I read that Butch had it worse with Zak, who was a terrible dad to him especially. |
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Post by Zeus89 on Apr 9, 2017 18:34:41 GMT
A retcon to make Cain a more tortured, sympathetic thug no doubt and give him an excuse for his numerous crimes. He now thinks every drunk is just like Shadrach as if the world is that simple . I remember when he tried to force Laurel out of the village for Moron's sake because he thought Laurel was just like Shadrach. Anyway, although I didn't watch every episode when Shadrach was in the show, I remember him being a harmless, pathetic drunk but not violent. And it's strange that Chas would be more forgiving toward Shadrach than Faith - who may have been neglectful but at least wasn't violent. Chas's resentment towards Faith seems to stem from abandonment as opposed to any form of abuse she suffered at Faith's hands. Her relationship with Shadrach seemed to be quite warm and there was never any hint that he had a history of violence. So it does seem to be a retcon. The relationship was warm, she cared for him a lot, and you knew he loved her very much. He even kept a picture of both Chas and Gennie in his wallet. |
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Post by CAEF on Apr 30, 2017 15:33:01 GMT
Emmerdingle or Dingledale.
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. I remember when he tried to force Laurel out of the village for Moron's sake because he thought Laurel was just like Shadrach.