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Post by wallis on Mar 12, 2019 23:08:37 GMT
I haven't seen it yet, I tried but I didn't like the style as I thought it was be more like a documentary with a voice over etc not them just talking to camera. My problem I know but I'm going to give it another try when I'm in the mood. However I have no doubts that Jackson's as guilty as sin. Never did. No normal man goes out of his way to sleep in the same bed with other people's small sons etc. And as been said many times if this was Michael Jackson a singer from your local pub and not megastar Michael Jackson he'd have been seen for what he was long before now. The pitchforks would have rightly been out for him. As for the parents, don't get me started on them. Stardust in their eyes is the least of it. I know one of Jackson's victims says his mother/parents were also groomed but come on! As a parent the ONE THING we can do for our kids, whether we're rich or poor, whatever our colour or creed, is do out utmost to keep them SAFE. Warning bells would have rang like 1.000,000 church bells for me. Were they well paid either financially or with presents to spend time alone with their sons and they chose to believe it was all innocent? Did some parents, perhaps of kids we've never heard of who haven't come forward, actually 'sell' their kids knowing what would happen? It doesn't bear thinking about. MJ ensconced his way into both families lives spending time with them staying over and dishing out money and saying he felt part of the family. Giving them a false sense of security or so the story goes so that they trusted him caring for their sons and planning their future careers which included not getting a proper education. Money talks and for me that was all it was about it for them. They never took their children's safety into consideration when this pervert was giving them a loan to buy another house and then told them he didn't want the money repaid. He bought the parents and the two mothers who survived their husbands will have to live with this for the rest of their lives.
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Post by Lotty27 on Mar 12, 2019 23:53:49 GMT
I haven't seen it yet, I tried but I didn't like the style as I thought it was be more like a documentary with a voice over etc not them just talking to camera. My problem I know but I'm going to give it another try when I'm in the mood. However I have no doubts that Jackson's as guilty as sin. Never did. No normal man goes out of his way to sleep in the same bed with other people's small sons etc. And as been said many times if this was Michael Jackson a singer from your local pub and not megastar Michael Jackson he'd have been seen for what he was long before now. The pitchforks would have rightly been out for him. As for the parents, don't get me started on them. Stardust in their eyes is the least of it. I know one of Jackson's victims says his mother/parents were also groomed but come on! As a parent the ONE THING we can do for our kids, whether we're rich or poor, whatever our colour or creed, is do out utmost to keep them SAFE. Warning bells would have rang like 1.000,000 church bells for me. Were they well paid either financially or with presents to spend time alone with their sons and they chose to believe it was all innocent? Did some parents, perhaps of kids we've never heard of who haven't come forward, actually 'sell' their kids knowing what would happen? It doesn't bear thinking about. MJ ensconced his way into both families lives spending time with them staying over and dishing out money and saying he felt part of the family. Giving them a false sense of security or so the story goes so that they trusted him caring for their sons and planning their future careers which included not getting a proper education. Money talks and for me that was all it was about it for them. They never took their children's safety into consideration when this pervert was giving them a loan to buy another house and then told them he didn't want the money repaid. He bought the parents and the two mothers who survived their husbands will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. Thanks Walls, that makes a lot of sense. I knew money, and what it can buy, would raise it's head somewhere. Was obvious. That and what he could do for their talented young sons careers. And getting off on spending time and being 'courted' by a megastar, one of the most famous men in the world. Did the saying 'If something's too good to be true it usually is' never occur to them? Or were they too busy admiring their new house, luxuriating in the limelight reflecting of Jackson and yes, feeling smug that they were the 'chosen' ones and enjoying other people's jealousy? I suppose there's parents that have been bought for less and although it's a reason for the parents to be so incredibly lax and reckless it's not an excuse. So Jackson flattered them and bought them. That's the crux of it, whether the son chooses to believe they were groomed too is up to him but I know what I think. God, what a manipulative monster Jackson was and yet so many people were, and still are, fooled by his 'childlike innocence'! Give me strength.
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Post by Teeks on Mar 13, 2019 3:16:52 GMT
I would really like to know the conversation that took place where Jackson ended up alone with their sons in his bedroom at his Neverland Ranch. How on earth did this happen?! What were they thinking leaving their sons unsupervised? I don't know how else to display my anger and bemusement with the mothers, so I've come up with this:
Parents: Thanks for buying us a house, Michael. How can we repay you?
Michael Jackson: Well... you could let me molest look after your kids. Raising children can be tough, so let me ease the burden on you. I think the boys would love my Neverland Ranch - it's a creepy house of horrors my home. That's where I take all the kids to play... it's a really fun place.
Parents: Sounds amazing. Why do you call it the Neverland Ranch, anyway?
Michael Jackson: Isn't it obvious? I'm a 10 year old boy in a grown man's body. You see, my odious father use to beat me when I was in the Jackson 5 and didn't let me have a normal childhood, which turned me into a man-child with serious emotional issues. I never really grew up since then. So I bought the Neverland Ranch to live out my childish fantasies forever and ever. Some people say it's creepy, but I completely disagree with them.
Parents: No, no, that doesn't sound creepy at all!
Michael Jackson: Thank you. Oh, and don't worry about the kids being alone with me, I'm a softie! Anybody who knows me will tell you I'm the most feminine man alive! Have you heard my squeeky voice?!
Parents: Brilliant! You just saved us money on childcare! We'll call you.
Michael Jackson: Hehehehe. It's my pleasure, darling. Anyway, I gotta run. I got an appointment with my plastic surgeon! I'm getting a complete new makeover for Halloween!
I'm not trying to be funny (okay, maybe I am a little bit). But it just seems so bloody ridiculous to me how these parents didn't see any warning signs and blindly allowed Jackson to manipulate them financially and psychologically. It's beyond a joke.
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Post by Charley Says... on Mar 13, 2019 7:23:30 GMT
There's nowt wrong with a bit of humour Teeks... If the situation wasn't so sick it would be laughable...
But there has been some funny stuff being passed about... Some very clever stuff too... This landed in my WhatsApp the day after the documentary aired over here...
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Post by CAEF on Mar 15, 2019 13:33:16 GMT
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Post by Lotty27 on Mar 15, 2019 18:17:47 GMT
I hope they're advised against it. This really is a hornet's nest that they should leave well alone for their own well-being/peace of mind or they may not like the outcome.
To be fair, there's every chance he didn't abuse them so they might have real problems believing this of their father so their denial is natural to me. You wouldn't want to believe it would you? They're probably believing that the accusers are after money - rich people in particular seem to think that poor(er) people will do anything for money, not because something's right, but for dosh.
Eventually though they're going to have to face facts; that if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it's a feckin' duck! He's guilty kids.
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Post by CAEF on Mar 16, 2019 15:51:58 GMT
I am 100% sure he is guilty, without a shadow of a doubt. And no way is Paris Jacko's biological daughter. That Mark Lester is in the frame. And I doubt Jacko is the father of the 2 boys, although they are weirdos like Jacko.
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Post by Lotty27 on Mar 16, 2019 20:28:39 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6817531/Paris-Jackson-rushed-hospital-suicide-attempt-wake-Leaving-Neverland-doc.htmlParis Jackson's been rushed to hospital after a suicide attempt. Poor lass, I do feel sorry for his kids - and whatever the biology he is the only dad they've known (though I've always thought he could be the bio father of the youngest). It would be bad enough if this came out about your dad and he was just an ordinary Joe where it might end up in a few local/national newspapers. But when this comes out and your dad's global superstar Michael Jackson you literally have nowhere to hide. It's strange though isn't it how he wanted kids but didn't seem to want them to be genetically his?! Let's hope that this won't make Jacko's wacko supporters don't go nuclear on the victims who've spoken out on the documentary. With those mad buggers they might have to go into hiding, if they haven't already. EDIT: SHE'S BEEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA DENYING IT. I HOPE SO, I'D HATE TO THINK THAT SHE ENDED UP ANOTHER OF JACKSON'S VICTIMS.
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Post by wallis on Mar 16, 2019 23:14:08 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6817531/Paris-Jackson-rushed-hospital-suicide-attempt-wake-Leaving-Neverland-doc.htmlParis Jackson's been rushed to hospital after a suicide attempt. Poor lass, I do feel sorry for his kids - and whatever the biology he is the only dad they've known (though I've always thought he could be the bio father of the youngest). It would be bad enough if this came out about your dad and he was just an ordinary Joe where it might end up in a few local/national newspapers. But when this comes out and your dad's global superstar Michael Jackson you literally have nowhere to hide. It's strange though isn't it how he wanted kids but didn't seem to want them to be genetically his?! Let's hope that this won't make Jacko's wacko supporters don't go nuclear on the victims who've spoken out on the documentary. With those mad buggers they might have to go into hiding, if they haven't already. EDIT: SHE'S BEEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA DENYING IT. I HOPE SO, I'D HATE TO THINK THAT SHE ENDED UP ANOTHER OF JACKSON'S VICTIMS. She's an heiress possibly seeing her millions depleting. No doubt she is smoking some weed right now! How do people like her openly tell you that she is taking drugs yet nothing is done about it? Is it legal in LA? Yes, he's the only father she has ever known but she says it not her role to defend him. Very true because she wasn't around when these events supposedly happened. She wasn't even a twinkle in MJ's eyes, if she ever was.
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Post by Lotty27 on Mar 17, 2019 0:36:24 GMT
Yes weed is legal in California now Walls, in a few others states as well. As well as being legal in Canada.
Did I imagine it or wasn't Jackson pretty much skint when he died? (or their version of skint, won't be the same as ours!) So any monies will have come from the mass buying of his music once he died? And didn't he leave his mum in charge? Makes me wonder how much his kids actually got. Don't get me wrong, they're not poor but I bet they're not as loaded as they should be as it wouldn't surprise me if the Jackson clan continue to skim some off before it's doled it out.
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Post by Teeks on Mar 17, 2019 3:02:54 GMT
Apparently Michael Jackson's maid found boy's underwear in his bedroom and in the jacuzzi. She also claims to have seen Wacko in the shower with Wade Robson. It's all so stomach churning. I guess the maid must be lying, too. It's all for the money you see. Cases like this make me hope that one day we can develop a better method of proving child molestation and rape. It's so hard to prove, especially historical cases, when there is no DNA evidence. It's just one man's word against another and this tends to favour the accused. Jackson and his odious family have relied on the presumption of innocence to combat the accusations against him, and escape justice for so long. Maybe lie detectors are the way forward? I know people say the results can be manipulated through certain means, but I'd trust a polygraph test far more than the lies coming out of an accused paedophile's mouth. If they are intentionally trying to manipulate the results of a lie detector, then at the very least it'll prove to the courts that they have something to hide and it'll hurt their chances of acquittal. Maybe they could repeat the tests multiple times to ensure the results are fair and consistent? No harm in trying it. It seems to work for Jeremy Kyle! Too many paedophiles and rapists are getting away because there's no physical evidence and their crimes cannot be proved beyond reasonable doubt. There has to be another way we can convict these demented animals. We're making it too easy for them...
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Post by Charley Says... on Mar 17, 2019 12:10:50 GMT
Yes weed is legal in California now Walls, in a few others states as well. As well as being legal in Canada. Did I imagine it or wasn't Jackson pretty much skint when he died? (or their version of skint, won't be the same as ours!) So any monies will have come from the mass buying of his music once he died? And didn't he leave his mum in charge? Makes me wonder how much his kids actually got. Don't get me wrong, they're not poor but I bet they're not as loaded as they should be as it wouldn't surprise me if the Jackson clan continue to skim some off before it's doled it out. There was a documentary on him about twenty years ago... Where the cameras followed him around... Can't remember whether it was in the US or UK...
But he went into one really posh store (in my head it was Harrods)... They closed the store and let him have a browse... He was just pointing at things and saying "Oooh I'll have that and this and that..."
A week or so later the store told the papers that he never paid for the stuff... Turns out he was too skint to pay... Makes you wonder...
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Post by Teeks on Mar 23, 2019 20:40:19 GMT
So, apparently, some brainless reality TV cockroach named Dan Osborne has quietly tried removing a Michael Jackson tattoo from his body following the fallout of the documentary, despite recently claiming that the King of Pedos was innocent... how unfortunate for him to have tattooed the image of a paedophile on his body. What an absolute eejit. I believe he had this tattoo inked at some point in his miserable, pointless life after the 2005 trial, which makes me dislike the cunt even more, because he knowingly got a tattoo of a sexual predator out of sheer naivety and blind loyalty to a man he doesn't even truly know. This is what Osborne had to say about Jackson and his dismissive remarks about his victims. Speaking to The Sun in January, he said: “To me Michael Jackson is the greatest entertainer that ever lived.
“It seemed to me that he adored kids and cared about them because he was a real life Peter Pan. I just don’t believe that Michael Jackson sexually abused children.
“I don’t know what is motivating the men who are accusing him but with the amount of money the family have, could there be a financial motive?”
Osborne added that it was “not normal” that Jackson shared a bed with children but highlighted that he “didn’t have a normal childhood”.
“I think he was a big kid at heart who loved childish things. He even had a funfair in his garden. He didn’t have a childhood and just wanted to have children for company,” he said.
“From the age of eight he was travelling on a tour bus, playing huge gigs every night, he didn’t have a normal childhood, he couldn’t do the things that other kids could do.”Sound familiar, yes? Dan Osborne has parroted the same nonsense word for word as every other Jackson fan. Same predictable lines about Jackson being innocent 'cos he's "the greatest entertainer that ever lived innit" and questioning the motives of the victims by claiming they're money grabbers. His arrogance and dismissive attitude toward the victims are just yet another example of the wider problem we face with sexual abuse in society. The little men have no chance against the Michael Jacksons of the world when you have clueless 'celebrities' like Osborne going around saying things like this and giving validation to Jackson's brainwashed fans. I suppose Jimmy Saville was innocent, too, because he was a "talented children's entertainer"... I wonder if there are any Saville fans out there with tattoos bearing his likeness on their bodies, too? The stupidity of some humans never ceases to amaze me. I hear this Osborne cretin is ex-EastEnders actress Jacqueline Jossa's hubby as well... god help her. She's gonna need it. I read somewhere he's cheated on her, too... Just look at this feckless twat and his embarrassing tattoo... Have you seen a bigger twat than this? Can we deport him to another country? A really cold place like Siberia? So he can freeze his arse off in his kecks and suffer a slow, painful death in the cold...
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Post by Teeks on Mar 23, 2019 22:01:34 GMT
Barbra Streisand has made some rather dangerous and stupid comments about Wacko Jacko's sick hobby, too... it's perplexing to say the least. I can't for the life of me remember what Streisand is meant to be famous for? I think she's a singer? Or an actress? Or is she just a child molestation apologist? Either way, her grossly ignorant comments are beyond sickening and crystalise how a lot of people just don't take sexual abuse seriously enough. This is what she had to say: "His sexual needs were his sexual needs, coming from whatever childhood he has or whatever DNA he has," she said.
"You can say 'molested', but those children, as you heard [the grown-up Robson and Safechuck] say, they were thrilled to be there. They both married and they both have children, so it didn’t kill them."
Asked if she was angry with Jackson, Streisand continued: "It’s a combination of feelings. I feel bad for the children. I feel bad for him."Dan Reed, who directed the documentary, has now hit out at Streisand's comments on social media, writing: "'It didn’t kill them' @barbrastreisand did you really say that?!"Where to start?! This prize tit Streisand sounds like a shameless enabler - the exact kind of enabler that turned a blind eye to Jackson's crimes in the first place and allowed him to continue molesting children unchecked. What does his DNA have to do with him becoming a pedo? Utter nonsense. She's justifying and normalising Jackson's disgusting behaviour like it's some genetic disorder that he can't help! Plenty of people have bad childhoods and bad parents, they don't turn into pedos for crying out loud... there was clearly something wrong with him from a young age like most predators and killers. She talks about the kids "being thrilled" to be in Jackson's company... well, of course they were, they were young Michael Jackson fans who adored him and enjoyed the attention he gave them like a lot of kids. Of course they were thrilled. It doesn't mean it gave him a right to take advantage of them. Streisand's comments sum up the attitude of these enablers. She clearly isn't aware of how soul destroying sexual abuse is... Here's the full article on DS: www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a26909833/leaving-neverland-dan-reed-lashes-out-barbra-streisand-michael-jackson-comments/
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 22:21:45 GMT
If someone less known would have said what Barbara said they would be crucified in the media - and rightly so. But because it`s her - she gets a pass from the media. It`s so infuriating. Why James Brolin stays with that harpy is beyond me. She must be a nightmare to live with.
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