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Post by butterball on Dec 31, 2019 10:33:43 GMT
Anyone watching this on BBC? Its not bad. I actually felt a bit sorry for Christine, as she was a bit of a silly little slapper IMO. Profumo was destined for great things, but lost it all because despite having a stunning wife he just couldn't keep it in his pants with a girl less than half his age.
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Post by LouP on Dec 31, 2019 11:48:17 GMT
Yes, I am watching this. I remember it all happening in the 60's . That dates me . Sad end for Christine Keeler . Some beautiful women age well. I can think of a number . Helen Mirren, Judi Dench, Wendy Craig, me to name 4, LOL. Sadly Christine Keeler didnt age well.
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Post by Charley Says... on Dec 31, 2019 14:34:24 GMT
I haven't watched it and probably won't... But someone complained in the paper that when she ordered a Full English (did she?)... It would have been impossible as the term Full English wasn't coined until 20 years later...
Some people eh...? Got nothing better to do than to write and complain about TV... It wouldn't happen on here...
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Post by wallis on Dec 31, 2019 15:04:26 GMT
I'm watching and enjoying it. Apart from the 'Full English' they are really capturing the era well. Poor naive Christine had a terrible start in life. Her father abandoned the family when she was 3 and then she was sexually abused as a teenager both by her mother's lover and his friends. It's little wonder she turned out they way she did.
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Post by Holey on Dec 31, 2019 15:23:44 GMT
It is very good, Profumo is a dirty old git. James Norton as Stephen Ward is excellent , a good cast.
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Post by butterball on Dec 31, 2019 16:16:49 GMT
I think if this happened today there would be a completely different take on it. The girls at 18 were not even classed as adults then, it was 21. Stephen Ward was the Jeffrey Epstein of his day.
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Post by LouP on Jan 1, 2020 0:17:11 GMT
I got engaged in 1964 and married in 1965. This story is as vivid to me now as it was then . It was truly shocking at the time .
Girls of 17/18, as Christine Keeler was, nowadays are often still at school , doing A levels , thinking of what Uni to go to and were much more mature then than they are now. They were in the world of work and getting married and often having babies .
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Post by wallis on Jan 1, 2020 1:29:07 GMT
I got engaged in 1964 and married in 1965. This story is as vivid to me now as it was then . It was truly shocking at the time . Girls of 17/18, as Christine Keeler was, nowadays are often still at school , doing A levels , thinking of what Uni to go to and were much more mature then than they are now. They were in the world of work and getting married and often having babies . I completely disagree. Christine didn't come from a normal family and her education was limited. Sex was what she knew from abuse but probably getting what she wanted as a reward and so it continued until she was out of her depth.
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Post by LouP on Jan 1, 2020 9:39:12 GMT
I got engaged in 1964 and married in 1965. This story is as vivid to me now as it was then . It was truly shocking at the time . Girls of 17/18, as Christine Keeler was, nowadays are often still at school , doing A levels , thinking of what Uni to go to and were much more mature then than they are now. They were in the world of work and getting married and often having babies . I completely disagree. Christine didn't come from a normal family and her education was limited. Sex was what she knew from abuse but probably getting what she wanted as a reward and so it continued until she was out of her depth. I am not entirely sure what you disagree with, Wallis. I was talking in general terms.
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Post by butterball on Jan 1, 2020 10:44:04 GMT
Was looking forward to the next episode of this but saw it had been substituted with Dame Edna Everage??? Whaaaa??? She must be at least 100 and is stuck in the 1990s. I didn't watch it but the reviews were dire.
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Post by LouP on Jan 1, 2020 10:45:45 GMT
Was looking forward to the next episode of this but saw it had been substituted with Dame Edna Everage??? Whaaaa??? She must be at least 100 and is stuck in the 1990s. I didn't watch it but the reviews were dire. Next episode was always next Sunday, butterball. No change. 6 episodes in all. 4 to go, on a Sunday.
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Post by LouP on Jan 6, 2020 9:25:34 GMT
Poor Christine, caught up in a runaway train.
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Post by butterball on Jan 6, 2020 12:21:29 GMT
Poor Christine, caught up in a runaway train. Yes I feel sorry for her. We are looking at this with different eyes in 2020. She was an young alluring, naรฏve, not overly intelligent girl who had a terrible life and was taken advantage of by predatory men. Profumo was just a dirty old man with his brain in his underpants who seemed to get the sympathy vote of the day as he had his 'head turned' by a tart. Valerie Hobson stood by her faithless husband though. There was a bit of a glitch yesterday I thought when Steven Ward phoned and she said for him to 'do one'. That phrase was not used in the 1960s.
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Post by Lotty27 on Jan 6, 2020 15:47:56 GMT
I've got these stacked up on my planner, might watch when the series is finished so I can enjoy them all in one go.
Either way I'm looking forward to it as apparently this is the first time the story has been told from the female perspective and not the male. About bloomin' time.
My 83-year-old mother remembers the case well, the girls seemed to be blamed absolutely, and sadly by many other women. The 'poor man he couldn't help himself' and 'they knew exactly what they were doing' attitudes prevailed along with 'she was a tart who must've thrown herself at him'! (not on the whole of course, my gran, an ardent feminist saw it for what it was as did my mum but to a lesser degree). Instead of what she was, an abused girl who kept on being abused, first by men then the establishment and press.
Never really left her alone either did they? Just loved showing how badly she aged until she eventually died. I wonder how many of us/them would look at our best in normal, slob about clothes, no make-up or hair done just pottering to the shops!
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Post by LouP on Jan 6, 2020 16:02:14 GMT
I am guilty of saying how badly Christine had aged. I honestly donโt believe that people should let themselves go so badly as Christine did. Sorry but I do believe this. I am ancient but I can always look reasonable even though I am in my scruffs.
i also remember this when it happened and, yes, everyone bad mouthed her saying she was a prostitute/ tart/slag and names like that. She wasnโt, of course. Maybe just loose morals but no more than that. She was used by Ward and Profumo and tossed aside. I am just glad that Profumo was brought down and, of course, Ward committed suicide.
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