Simon Wicks paternity. Pete, Kenny or Brian.

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I now have 1988 EastEnders on DVD and shall watch some tonight. This was the year of the Who Fathered Simon plot. In the end Pat said she believed that Brian Wicks was his dad and Simon was adopted by his biological father after she split from Pete when Simon was a baby. I am hoping that is not true and Kenny Beale was his dad, thus it would still make Simon a Beale and the grandson of Lou, as they saw themselves as grandma and grandson.

If I was EP I would revisit this story and a DNA test between Ian and Simon would confirm this. If Pete is Ian's dad and Kenny is Simon's dad then Ian and Simon have the same Y DNA. Y DNA is passed from father to son. I would have Kenny as the father, rather than a nobody like Brian Wicks.

[kitkat1971]

Very true, they would actually be able to find out now. I can only assume simon decided off screen that he didn't really need to know as even though he isn't in touch with Ian, he still was with David until the last couple of years so they could have sent off their samples - David was certainly Petes (at least we were never given any indication he wasn't and I'm sure it would have come up given how Pete and pat were trying to hurt each other) so they'd be able to compare them to see if they were brothers, cousins or totally unrelated on the paternal side. Actually, wouldn't he be able to do it with Peter now he is over in NZ?

Although I see what you mean about adding to the Beales, i actually always quite liked the resolution of it, that it wasn't Pete, Kenny, Den or anybody else we'd been teased but another party who'd been staring us in the face the whole time but not mentioned - the man she married soon after the divorce and that Simon had actually been brought up by his real father.

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I watched the episode last night where Pat said to Wicksy that Brian was his real father. She said she never went the whole hog with Kenny or Den even when still married to Pete Beale. Simon said all the years he had called his stepdad when he was his actual dad. So I would say with 99% probability that Brian was Simon's biological father. So Simon and Kevin Wicks are first cousins, and Simon is the first cousin once removed of Jimbo Wicks. So Jimbo and Steven Beale are second cousins.

[Lady Voldemort]

She never went the whole hog with Kenny? But he spent that time trying to bond with Simon after Pat said he was his biological father.

Clearly Albert Beale was supremely shit at the whole birds and bees talk.

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Also, Lou caught Kenny and Pat in bed together upstairs in passion, unless he had not yet reached a conclusion so to speak, he could still be Sizza Wicks's father.

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In some more 1988 episodes I have watched there was confusion as to who had fathered Simon and Lou said before she died to tell Wicksy who his father is so Pat said Brian. In early 1988 Simon did suggest a blood test but this never happened.

Simon was close to Lou and said "but she is not my gran is she"? when told.

I think Kenny was banished from Walford in January 1965 according to an episode I watched, so she must have been 3 months pregnant when Lou caught her in bed with Kenny so that would rule Kenny out as his dad if Pat said she never went the whole hog at the time she fell pregnant. It probably was Brian. Wicksy was born in July 1965.

[kitkat1971]

Hnot having gone the whole hog with Kenny at the correct time or having been interrupted during foreplay is possible I guess. You'd think Kenny would know if they'd reached the crucial part of intercourse or that it was several months too late for him to be Simon's father - surely he checked his birthdate?

Den IIRC also said that he had never slept with Pat, given they both said it I'm inclined to believe that. Pat might have lied about Kenny to put the paternity issue to bed (pun intended) once and for all. She did say she wasn't sure (iIRC) was almost positive it was Brian.

[markxist]

I loved how they even threw Den into the mix (or should that be the Wicks?) Ah, these were the best days of EE. I haven't watched since Den died, the second time around!

I always found it a shame that, when the Fowlers/Beales started getting depleted and the show began its tiresome OTT focus on the Mitchells and gangland nonsense , they didn't decide to bolster the show's original family by bringing Kenny Beale and his family back to the UK to run the fruit and veg stall. Not sure if Michael Attwell was still alive at the time, but they could have recast. I actually saw Attwell once back in '95 on the Greek island of Zakynthos, he literally bumped into my sister, puffing a massive cigar on his way down to the harbour

[kitkat1971]

There were also supposed to be a couple more siblings that were mentioned (and seen as kids i think) in the prequel they made about Lou and Ethel during WW2 - they could have easily been introduced and been better than trampling over Lou's memory after her death by introducing the illegitimate child giving up for adoption's family. If they were so determined to have them be Irish, they could have just said one of the legitimate children had settled over there when very young so Pauline barely knew them.

I think Kenny might have been killed offscreen during the mid/late 90s. I'm sure they explained one of Richards' breaks (perhaps when she was making Grace and Favour) as her going to NZ to nurse him after an illness but can't remember if we were told he recovered or died. I can't recall him being mentioned since then, even as having sent a card or flowers for Pauline or Lucy's funeral whereas Margaret (the Irish sister) was.

[kitkat1971]

Re running into EE actors, when I was working in Camden in 2002/2003 time Michael elphic came into the Pub I'd gone to for lunch. I didn't approach him as I never see the point just to ask for an autograph or let them know they'd been recognised. Plus of course, it was a pub and his drinking was already well publicized. He was on his own, drowned one pint very quickly and then left. He died only a few weeks later.

[markxist]

Poor Michael Elphick. I recall him appearing on Richard and Judy's This Morning in the late 90s where they tried to talk about him losing his wife and his best friend, Don Henderson, so closely together. The poor bloke began to well up and they quickly closed the interview down. It was a great shame seeing the way he went, with rumours of pints of vodka and half a Guinness chasers, especially after being something of a pin up for a certain group of women with Boon in the mid 80s. Always a bit of a hellraiser (he ran around with Bruce Robinson and the like in the late 60s when they were all fresh from drama school and was, according to Robinson, high on coke and drunk when filming his cameo in Withnail and I) it's clear he was a big soft hearted gentle giant at heart who found life too hard without his wife.

Yeah I think the Danny Taurus stuff was off the back of her being in NZ nursing Kenny after some op wasn't it? I do think they killed him off, but not altogether sure when. It would have made more sense to me to return him (or, as you say, the other kids - didn't know that actually, but then can only dimly recall the WWII spin off) to the Square to run the fruit and veg stall than introduce the Irish contingent *tries to forget those dreadful Irish eps that introduced them* or go through that series of half arsed characters to keep the old links alive and give someone for Pauline to talk to, ie Eddie Skinner and Kerry Skinner (both wasted and hardly explored/thought out enough to do justice to Ethel and the characters they weer said to have known) or Ian Lavender's dull Derek.

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Bumping this thread. It would not be a retcon, but a truth reveal, and I hope Kenny was the father, making Simon and his son Steven true Beale's, and while Ian is not Steven's father he would still be blood related, his first cousin once removed.

Pat was never 100% sure it was Brian, she said she concluded that it was Brian and while it would be a nice twist for Simon to have been bought up by his real dad Brian, I do seem to remember Pat saying (in the below clip) that she shagged Pete, and then Kenny half an hour later. Kenny and Pete never denied the fact when Pat said in front of them she was sleeping with them, so Pat must have lied to Simon about not "going the whole hog with Kenny" as she surely did.