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Post by kitkat1971 on Dec 1, 2015 23:11:53 GMT
Lady C has got a bit of a nerve having a pop at other people for having unintelligible, annoying, droning voices. Has she heard hers? And to everybody that says Duncan and tony are always bitching about her behind her back, how often do we see her talking about them to Ferne or Kieron?
Her comments about not telling your friends if a partner is good in bed in case they try and steal him made me laugh though.
Who were they asking in that survey? Only 10 per cent would rather have a chat than sex. Really? Although - was that ever or sometimes? I mean, i like sex so if it was ever, then i'd have to opt for that but sometimes you just aren't in the mood but want 'together' time so nice little chat in bed is lovely.
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Post by Lotty27 on Dec 1, 2015 23:22:34 GMT
So there's Chris gone, the zen has gone from the camp! (love Ant and Dec's Eubank walk ) Interestingly he also mentioned the nasty things that Lady C said about Tony so I wonder if it's just what we saw (which was bad enough) or if other things have been edited out? I think Ferne's my favourite at the moment, just the right side of having something to say without being in your face a la WhyAyeMan-Vicky. Ferne also seems to be a bit of a butterfly who seems to get on with everyone in the camp too. Surprises me as I thought I'd dislike these reality show girls but I've really warmed to them and if they're trying to move on from TOWIE/Geordie Shore then good for them. Credit where it's due, Vicky was phenomenal in that trial even though she doesn't know her left from right (how can you not know that at her age?!? ) The speed she climbed up that wall! Sorry but Jorgie and George and their weep-a-thons were doing my head in tonight. If they want to leave so desperately why don't they just go? Ditto Duncan who's looking like he'd rather be anywhere else (and if you do lose some of your fee for walking he has plenty to make up the difference with as he's donating his fee to charity like Keiron). I get that the atmosphere in camp can't be fun sometimes wondering when Lady C's going to kick off again but Vicky, Ferne, Keiron, Chris and even Tony seem to be handling it better. Can you not take yourself off for little walks? I remember Joe Pasquale trotting off with his emus to clear his head. Anyway, if her tirades bother them that much why don't they just all walk off and ignore her? I was going to say that she can't argue with herself but then again Lady C might manage to even do that
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Post by kitkat1971 on Dec 1, 2015 23:33:10 GMT
Oh yes, and as mentioned by Lotty earlier, Lady C is riding rough shod over George. She's being nice about it, because she likes him, but as he said, she thinks he is in charge, she makes the decisions and tells him to impart it to the Camp - partly because she refuses to speak to some of them.
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Post by kitkat1971 on Dec 1, 2015 23:41:46 GMT
I'm sure there was a rule in early seasons that they could only leave Camp for the tasks and trials except for the Toilet and BTT which i think are still quite close so not enough distance to really clear your head. Even collecting firewood and going to the shower thing, I think they are meant to be in pairs.
They might have changed that rule though.
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Post by Holey on Dec 2, 2015 0:40:06 GMT
It was time for Chris to go. The last couple of ep's haven't been quite as good, I think by Sunday I will have had enough.
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Post by kitkat1971 on Dec 2, 2015 0:54:50 GMT
Yes, the rumour about the Queen Mother being born to a cook I think was originally made public (rather than being gossip/speculation) in one of her books.
I'd be more inclined to believe that the stuff about Diana was better known and believed to be true back then simply because Diana did seem to break ranks and talk about her problems to friends, and even encourage them to pass it on to 'recruit' people to her 'side' (for want of better words) so almost semi official. Whereas, nothing about the Queen Mother's parentage has ever been proved and I very much doubt anybody (except perhaps Walls Simpson who was dead by them) would have had anything to gain by that being put out into the Public. So, just gossip mongreing as far as i'm concerned.
Not that there is anything wrong with being born into Service by the way and i think it is fairly well known that the Aristocracy have tended to use some 'common blood' to dilute the interbreeding without that being officiallt acknowledged in family trees but it is still very hurtful for somebody to allege that your parents, aren't really your parents. And it is not as though the Queen Mother could prove it pre DNA, even if she had wanted to lower herself to respond to the claims.
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Post by Lotty27 on Dec 2, 2015 1:35:27 GMT
Yes, the rumour about the Queen Mother being born to a cook I think was originally made public (rather than being gossip/speculation) in one of her books. I'd be more inclined to believe that the stuff about Diana was better known and believed to be true back then simply because Diana did seem to break ranks and talk about her problems to friends, and even encourage them to pass it on to 'recruit' people to her 'side' (for want of better words) so almost semi official. Whereas, nothing about the Queen Mother's parentage has ever been proved and I very much doubt anybody (except perhaps Walls Simpson who was dead by them) would have had anything to gain by that being put out into the Public. So, just gossip mongreing as far as i'm concerned. Not that there is anything wrong with being born into Service by the way and i think it is fairly well known that the Aristocracy have tended to use some 'common blood' to dilute the interbreeding without that being officiallt acknowledged in family trees but it is still very hurtful for somebody to allege that your parents, aren't really your parents. And it is not as though the Queen Mother could prove it pre DNA, even if she had wanted to lower herself to respond to the claims. Cook was it? Wow, somehow you can imagine a maid more as they'd actually come across them when they were working upstairs. But like you say I reckon it was just malicious gossip when it comes down to it and I wouldn't be surprised if it was started by Wallis Simpson as there was no love lost between those two lol! Or some snobby aristo, weren't they supposed to marry fellow Prince or Princesses so perhaps someone thought that a mere 'Lady' wasn't good enough back then! (they'd have had a fit about our commoner Kate then wouldn't they? ) Either way though, if the Queen Mum got wind of it I can't imagine her being very pleased. The example you give about family trees always makes me laugh especially when Lord or Lady muck sit there saying "we can trace our family back to the Norman conquest" .. er ... you HOPE you can because I bet there were a few 'lone rangers' got in a long the way
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Post by kitkat1971 on Dec 2, 2015 2:03:17 GMT
I think it was cook, never read the thing so just going from memories of the tabloid press reports on it at the time. Yes, for all me accusing Lady C of profiting out of making Upper Class tittle tattle common knowledge, i did used to buy the Mirror to read about it on my way into work!
Of of course most of these families won't actually be related to who they think they are as it is more likely that it is the Father that was suspect for several reasons.
If a woman was unable to bear children and provide an heir and spare, the Lord (Earl, count whatever) would probably find some reason to dispose of them and get a younger model in even if it meant declaring them insane or similar. Witness Henry VIII as setting a precedent. Unless of course he did actually love them, or at least care enough not to want the shame of divorce (or worse) to happen to them. So they just have affairs and illegitimate children whilst staying married - witness Charles II.
Much more likely, is that if conception wasn't happening the Wife would take it upon herself to look elsewhere as she didn't want to be divorced, killed, sent to an Asylum etc and what he didn't know wouldn't hurt him. And sometimes, the husband might even have been willing to turn a blind eye to it for the sake of passing the Title (if not blood line) on and 'saving face' to everybody else.
So, yes, in short, I'm sure there are a lot of unofficial 'Fitzs' in these 'great houses' as it is impossible to know unless you start digging people up to test DNA and even then, it goes through the maternal line. But i can imagine it must still be very hurtful, even if Royal, to have that allegation made.
Oh, and according to research by Durham University, due to the great losses of life due to various things in this Country, mostly the Civil War and Plague, virtually all English people are descended from Edward III. So, if you can get that far back, even if a commoner, you're almost certainly descended from Royalty.
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Post by kitkat1971 on Dec 2, 2015 2:49:20 GMT
Forgot to say in my last post, yes Edward VIII, George VI's generation were the first to marry outside of European Royalty so there might have been some bad feeling about that. From Princesses and also Wallis Simpson who probably didn't understand why the QM was considered suitable as a Queen when she wasn't.
I don't actually know why it became acceptable then for Royals to marry for love (within reason) but there are actually a lot of logical reasons why things had to change.
Due to the First World War and subsequent 'remapping' of Europe due to the collapse of the Ottoman and Austro Hungarian Empires, revolution in Russia etc there just weren't as many Royal Families so Princesses to choose from. Those that did exist were probably direct grand or great grandchildren of Victoria's so fairly close blood relations. Also after the zenophobia caused by WW1, many might have preferred the idea of marrying British rather than foreign and having close connections to another Country we might end up at war with - remember both Kaiser Willheim and Tsar Nicholas were first cousins of George V.
Sorry went off topic there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 7:49:06 GMT
Well no surprise that Chris went last night as he got absolutely zero air time and may as well have not been there. Meanwhile we get SHERO Vicky's showing off shoved in our faces every 5 minutes. Although I find Lady C hilarious, she is clearly delusional if she thinks she is "well known". She may well be in that salibrious area of Kennington, South London and that is Kennington not Kensington, where she lives, but most people had never heard of her before. I also wonder if Duncan kept referring to her at the old hag as she calls him the old goat constantly or even more charmingly yesterday, the old pig, in loud vocal terms what the reaction would be, one of shock horror hypocracy probably.
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Post by bellamina on Dec 2, 2015 7:54:10 GMT
Apparently Lady C has left the jungle on medical grounds, bugger, I wanted her to win. I won't be watching anymore, it will just be a bore fest now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 8:21:19 GMT
Poor Lady C. That wasn't pleasant viewing last night, having to witness such a wonderful woman getting tucked up by ITV and those two sneaky dwarfs. Again.
It was heartbreaking stuff and a quite despicable way to treat such a fine, upstanding, mature lady. I'm only glad I was brought up to have more respect than that for my elders. Why I even helped some wobbly old Doris over the road yesterday by tooting my horn at her and shaking my fist.
The missus even came in at one point to ask me why I was crying. Don't worry love, she said, me and the kids are in bits out there too watching this. Even the dog was looking forlorn. We haven't been this upset since they kicked that nice man Reg Holdsworth off Big Brother.
There they were, the dwarfs, stood there like little boys with their "Vote Vicky" badges, all pleased with themselves, struggling to peer over the table in their shameful eagerness to lash bile and spite over a poor, defenseless old lady's fine reputation.
Lady C has been nothing but good to those ingrates in that camp. Always there to offer sound advice and guidance, even to those who pour scorn on her like Hadley and Bannatyne. She's helpfully pointed out the flaws in their dubious character on more than one occasion, but still receives no gratitude whatsoever.
This is worse than that time my poor old Nan got her tit caught in a mangle.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 8:25:52 GMT
Apparently Lady C has left the jungle on medical grounds, bugger, I wanted her to win. I won't be watching anymore, it will just be a bore fest now. Oh no, this is terrible news. Words cannot adequately convey the sadness I'm feeling right now. The bullies have won. I'll be writing a stern letter to my MP about this I know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 9:27:43 GMT
Well I've just been led in the bath crying, thinking this is worse than when Elvis died on the bog eating a hamburger, when I had one of those "eureka" moments.
Yeah, I said to myself, yeah at least Lady C has gone on her own terms and spoiled the dwarfs fun. Those two devious sneaks were simply itching to see her voted out so they could interview her in a wholly disapproving manner. Like who the blazes do they think they are?!!
Anyway, I feel better now, so much so I've ditched that stern letter I was writing to my MP. Thankfully I'd only got as far as ... "Oi MP! It's me again, Uncle Q ... " anyway.
I've kept the biro out handy though. Later when I get back from the Dog & Biscuit, I'm going to write to Lady C instead and woo her. I've heard she likes naughty boys. I'm going to make it perfectly clear, if she wants me to ditch the wife and kids, then she only has to say the word.
I really hope she likes dogs. Oh yeah and football.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 10:44:09 GMT
We could double date, UQ. I would be prepared to take one for the team with Ferne in order to facilitate your happiness. Awww, don't mention it. It's nothing. It's what I do.
I was disappointed to see Chris Eubank go - a decent enough chap I thought unlike playground bully Hadley.
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