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Post by CAEF on Nov 11, 2015 14:13:49 GMT
This is a post from yours truly, me, and based on well over 2 decades of watching the show.
DTC has totally shat on EastEnders.
Retconning Kathy so she returns from the dead.
The Carter Show, and the fact they have secret after secret after secret and dilemma after dilemma, and the corny hackneyed Cockney rhyming slag Mick uses, a slang that is virtually extinct.
Making Gavin Sullivan Shazza's father, and making Gavin a man who grew up in Albert Square, yet originally Carol Hanley just had a brief fling with a random man named Gavin, a long, long way from Walford.
Shitting on the Mitchell backhistory, when they arrived they had never been to Walford, they just heard of Walford, no one knew them or their family, they had to ask who Den Watts was when he was mentioned, and in 2003 Den having to ask round as he had no idea who the Mitchells were. Now in 2015, Den was best mates with Eric Mitchell and Gavin Sullivan.
Possibly bringing Brian Slater in from the dead.
Making Kush the father of Princess Stacey's baby and cutting off a new Fowler in the area, an EE legacy name, unlike Kazemi.
Taking away the tiny piece of humanity Philth Mitchell has left.
Making 99.9% of the characters totally unlikeable.
Turning Dean Wicks from cheeky dodgy barrow boy to a vile rapist.
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Post by amber jade on Nov 11, 2015 21:26:11 GMT
I have decided I'm probably not watching it again until there's a new EP and hope perhaps it might improve then. I never thought I'd stop watching it after watching for about ten years - I even put up with it through the Birkwood era! At least he didn't do what you've put above there CAEF, and ignore characters for months on end |
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Post by Lotty27 on Nov 11, 2015 22:04:43 GMT
I'll plow away for now and reconsider whether I still want to watch after I've seen what happens in the christmas/new year episodes but as a viewer since the first episode it might be ingrained in me now - I might be addicted lol!
Trouble is though, even if some storylines ARE resolved over the holiday period it means we've put up with loads of groundhog day scenes for what reward? A week's worth of exciting episodes? Is it worth months of tedium/annoyance/frustration to get there?
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Post by wallis on Nov 11, 2015 22:32:59 GMT
I'll plow away for now and reconsider whether I still want to watch after I've seen what happens in the christmas/new year episodes but as a viewer since the first episode it might be ingrained in me now - I might be addicted lol! Trouble is though, even if some storylines ARE resolved over the holiday period it means we've put up with loads of groundhog day scenes for what reward? A week's worth of exciting episodes? Is it worth months of tedium/annoyance/frustration to get there? I have also watched since 1985 and would agree that I'm probably addicted as well. We have seen good times and bad but isn't that the same for most soaps these days? If every episode was picture perfect we would have nothing to moan about on this or any Forum. |
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Post by CAEF on Nov 11, 2015 22:57:58 GMT
I still watch the show but I dont think it has ever been this bad before, and will not ever accept any "It doesn't matter" replies to huge, colossal retcons which are just a 2 fingers up to the shows history. It DOES matter if history is tweaked radically to suit a current storyline that may just last a few episodes.
It would be like if Emmerdale's Robert Sugden said "Well Sarah was my mum she gave birth to me", that would be a huge retcon as his birth mother was Pat Sugden who died in a car crash. I for one would be livid. That would never happen as Emmerdale is the most consistent soap.
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Post by Holey on Nov 11, 2015 23:00:44 GMT
I'll plow away for now and reconsider whether I still want to watch after I've seen what happens in the christmas/new year episodes but as a viewer since the first episode it might be ingrained in me now - I might be addicted lol! Trouble is though, even if some storylines ARE resolved over the holiday period it means we've put up with loads of groundhog day scenes for what reward? A week's worth of exciting episodes? Is it worth months of tedium/annoyance/frustration to get there? You know the saying 'EastEnders is for life, not just for Christmas.' smiley-graucho |
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Post by Holey on Nov 11, 2015 23:03:30 GMT
I still watch the show but I dont think it has ever been this bad before, and will not ever accept any "It doesn't matter" replies to huge, colossal retcons which are just a 2 fingers up to the shows history. It DOES matter if history is tweaked radically to suit a current storyline that may just last a few episodes. It would be like if Emmerdale's Robert Sugden said "Well Sarah was my mum she gave birth to me", that would be a huge retcon as his birth mother was Pat Sugden who died in a car crash. I for one would be livid. That would never happen as Emmerdale is the most consistent soap. I would say up to 2013 EastEnders was probably the most consistent and respectful of its history even when Den returned from that deadly daffodil, but now I think you may be right with Emmerdale, although they are on shaky ground at times. |
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Post by CAEF on Nov 11, 2015 23:07:58 GMT
As said EE is made for a younger audience who were not even a fetus in 1985 or even 1995. I was watching the show long before many of the "Millenials" as a certain person calls them, were even born.
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Post by Holey on Nov 11, 2015 23:21:49 GMT
As said EE is made for a younger audience who were not even a fetus in 1985 or even 1995. I was watching the show long before many of the "Millenials" as a certain person calls them, were even born. I know who that certain person is also C&EF. That person who thinks she is a walking wiki.  I think you are right though EE is aimed at a different demographic now.  |
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Post by EveT1991 on Nov 12, 2015 22:15:36 GMT
If your Football team was doing really bad and were in the relegation zone would you stop supporting your team? True fans like me never give on a Football team. Think of Eastenders like a Football team we should support them through the bad and good. Eastenders can't be good every year can it? Also Footballs teams can't be good every season can they?
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Post by EveT1991 on Nov 12, 2015 22:24:29 GMT
I don't think DTC has ruined it completely. I think Bryan Kirkwood actually ruined the show. I don't think DTC is the worst EP he made 2014 a really good year for the show and at least he didn't kill Pat off. I think the Babyswap is the main reason because it lost alot of viewers back then.
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Post by CAEF on Nov 15, 2015 12:55:03 GMT
I think if anyone says that major retcons are OK and so what if history is tweaked and shout down anyone who opposes the retcons aren't true fans of the show, true fans hate deliberate retcons. The odd minor one is OK such as Eric Mitchell maybe having the odd connection to Walford when Phil and Grant said the family were not from there and never knew the area before is OK, as it is a minor tweak but Eric being friends with Den when for years the Mitchells said they had to ask around to find out who Den was when they first arrived, and Den had to do the same in 2003 in a major rewrite. Same as Phil and Grant being locals when for years they said they were outsiders, not from Walford, and never knew the area until they moved there, Phil just was driving round the East End and came across Albert Square and saw this area as an ideal spot, this square that he had never been to before.
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Post by J-B on Nov 25, 2015 0:08:18 GMT
Some of the stuff DLT done to Eastenders is pretty bad, but it pales in comparison to cruelly driving out MyLauren and MyCindy.
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Post by joeygillott15811 on Feb 10, 2016 21:21:48 GMT
The sooner he leaves the better.
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