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Post by kitkat1971 on Mar 5, 2016 0:24:05 GMT
The sad thing is that they don't realise they are coming across as knobs. They - and i am using they loosely, a quick look at the AP thread shows many post there including a couple of posters i've dealt with a lot in the past and consider sensible and only a few seem really obsessive and offensive and take it over to the main forum - think that we are the knobs for dissing Their favourite characters and them and they will continue to post what and where they want and not be bullied.
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Post by kitkat1971 on Mar 5, 2016 0:36:21 GMT
Agree absolutely Lotty.
I actually name checked star89 on the 'awards' thread when pointing out that no other fans of specific characters had felt the need to ask the OP to 'please be nice' about their characters.
I'm fairly middle of the road about most characters in shows, very much judge them on individual actions or storylines although there are a few I admit to enjoy watching more than others or having a particular fondness for. I'd say there have only been a handful of characters in my nearly 40 years of watching Soaps that i would call myself a 'fan' of - meaning i have sometimes watched the show purely because they are in it, I check the listing to see if they have big plotline coming up in episodes, i do 'care' about them getting together with another character or if that fictional relationship breaks up, I will defend them in discussions or since the internet online. But equally, most of these characters I 'fall' for tend to be very morally dubious or even out and out villains so i know they are disliked by many and for good reason so would never fight against that.
I would say my love/defence of Jac Naylor in Holby city is quite similar to Star89s of Debbies.
So, I really don't get this obsessiveness or inability to live and let live.
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Post by CollieWobbles on Mar 5, 2016 2:11:40 GMT
It's such a shame. The daily Emmerdale threads were renowned for being a friendly place, probably the last friendly place on DS. I only posted on them a couple of times but always had a friendly enough reception. What a pity that nice community of friends is allowed to be ruined by obsessives. Like others have said, post in an appreciation thread if your sensitive feelings can't handle someone disliking your favourite FICTIONAL character(s). Hi daktara smiley-greet013 Tbf, the Daily is still a really nice place to be - maybe the Knobronners are wise enough not to take us lot on, so I hope you'll pop in again soon, (is your DS name the same as here?) It's the Discussion and P&P and.......well any other ED thread that have been taken over by the morons sadly. The lovely Daily, the last bastion of normality and sanity on DS. The Discussion thread is even worse than the P&P thread though, because that American poster will not stop posting about Aaron, how he's the greatest character in ED's history, played by an actor that is so unbelievably good he puts Hollywood to shame, he's beyond obsessed and completely unable to accept that anybody else doesn't think the same way, let alone thinks he's awful. He's forever telling Kwynne that 'he must love him really and won't accept how good he is' , I don't know how Kwynne puts up with it because I want to say some choice words every time I see it and it's not even directed at me! Worse still, his incessant ramblings on about Aaron, enticies the Knobronners like flies around a cowpat, who promptly take over the entire thread and on it goes, in a never ending cycle . There's always been fans of characters e.g. Star with Debbie Dingle. I still laugh when I see something negative written about Debbie because I'm imagining Star going 'OI!' in my head She loves Debbie but doesn't annoy anyone in her defence of the character (well, not many, I think Chita got a bit pissed off once) but also admitted when Debbie was written badly or was being an arse. That's a proper fan to me. RobRon's, as Collie alluded to further up the page, are like a brainwashed cult, a bunch of zombies. They're a completely different animal and I don't like it one bit. If I was the actors I'd be uncomfortable with it too because there's a thin line between love and hate and they could perhaps turn on one of them if their character does something on screen they don't like - or is it always excuseville with them? Their unhinged if you asked me Lotty, these aren't normal fans, or even slightly OTT mega fans, these are ridiculously obsessed irrational fanatics to the point of delusion. Being so fixated on something, especially fictional characters, isn't healthy or normal. If what they say is true about some folk being unable to differentiate the difference between real life and fiction, and taking it out on actors for their character's behaviour, I really pity the chap who plays Gordon if one of them meet him, because these are about as incabable of telling fact from fiction as you can get, and their not little old ladies with handbags either...
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Post by Oldnjaded on Mar 5, 2016 11:10:36 GMT
OK, not a Knobron complaint for once, but yet another reason why DS is dying on its arse and deserves to.
A long term very popular fm, Mr Bernay had his 10 year Anniversary of being on DS yesterday and another fm, Cuishla, made a thread to congratulate him. It was a lovely gesture - Mr B has rarely missed an ep thread of ED or Corrie in those 10 years, as well as regularly contributing to the HO ep threads. He is unfailingly friendly and always kind and welcoming to newbies and regulars alike.
This morning that thread has been moved from Soaps into GD's 'Chatter' forum - almost certainly because some saddo has reported it. I hope both the reporter and the mods are feeling really proud of themselves now. The state of DS these days clearly proves they have got the sort of forum they deserve. smiley-angry
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Post by peterhunt on Mar 5, 2016 11:51:37 GMT
I've just seen that thread oldnjaded. I don't believe i've ever spoken to mrbernay on there although i have seen his posts around the place That's a ridiculous decision though. 10 years of being on the site and instead of congratulating him on it, the mods shift him off to the wilderness.
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Post by ScrabblyWabbly on Mar 5, 2016 12:30:28 GMT
OK, not a Knobron complaint for once, but yet another reason why DS is dying on its arse and deserves to. A long term very popular fm, Mr Bernay had his 10 year Anniversary of being on DS yesterday and another fm, Cuishla, made a thread to congratulate him. It was a lovely gesture - Mr B has rarely missed an ep thread of ED or Corrie in those 10 years, as well as regularly contributing to the HO ep threads. He is unfailingly friendly and always kind and welcoming to newbies and regulars alike. This morning that thread has been moved from Soaps into GD's 'Chatter' forum - almost certainly because some saddo has reported it. I hope both the reporter and the mods are feeling really proud of themselves now. The state of DS these days clearly proves they have got the sort of forum they deserve. smiley-angry The clearly prefer the forum to be inpersonal. The thing is, you'll get some jealous Johnny who is annoyed at that thread because he will think that there is a clique he's being left out of.
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Post by kitkat1971 on Mar 5, 2016 12:50:07 GMT
OK, not a Knobron complaint for once, but yet another reason why DS is dying on its arse and deserves to. A long term very popular fm, Mr Bernay had his 10 year Anniversary of being on DS yesterday and another fm, Cuishla, made a thread to congratulate him. It was a lovely gesture - Mr B has rarely missed an ep thread of ED or Corrie in those 10 years, as well as regularly contributing to the HO ep threads. He is unfailingly friendly and always kind and welcoming to newbies and regulars alike. This morning that thread has been moved from Soaps into GD's 'Chatter' forum - almost certainly because some saddo has reported it. I hope both the reporter and the mods are feeling really proud of themselves now. The state of DS these days clearly proves they have got the sort of forum they deserve. smiley-angry The clearly prefer the forum to be inpersonal. The thing is, you'll get some jealous Johnny who is annoyed at that thread because he will think that there is a clique he's being left out of. Yes, that will be it - the accusations of 'cliqueiness' or 'gangs' which come up periodically from disgruntled or jealous posters that resent not being part of it despite usually either being very new so that rapport hasn't had time to grow or deeply unpleasant.
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Post by Oldnjaded on Mar 5, 2016 13:22:41 GMT
Yes, I agree with you all and I think it's bloody tragic tbh. Takes us back to the 'Kids' thread. Soaps insist on encouraging youngsters to think they are the be all and end all, their feelings must never be hurt, and they must always be hugged and kissed whenever they behave abominably, not to mention apologised to, because there's always some underlying reason why they're such brats. Yes there is - the bloody parents mollycoddling them and enabling their stupid and sometimes downright nasty behaviour. smiley-angry Then we wring our hands at the nation of self-entitled brats we've raised. But in terms of DS, the mods really have to shoulder a lot of the blame. It only takes one sad disgruntled tw*t out of hundreds to complain and they jump to attention, instead of weighing up the pros and cons of the thread, whilst at the same time turning a totally blind eye to the hundreds of threads that actually should be relegated to the Chatter or Games/Fanfiction fora. m1323 Unfortunately, most of the mods are probably part of that young, entitled mob I despise so much, so nowt's going to change.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 13:48:58 GMT
Hi OnJ Ahhhh my mistake, I thought they had actually invaded the Daily! I felt quite disgruntled on you guys behalf I'm glad that's not the case...I know posters on that thread are generally good friends just enjoying posting about the show each day. Yes I'm the same name over there but I hardly post tbh. IIRC when I did post on the Daily you replied to whatever I said I struggle to catch Emmerdale now though as it falls right in the toddler bedtime zone, s0238 This is a great point. There are posters who have been posting daily for years (a decade in the case above) so it would be insane to think that they wouldn't have built up friendships on threads. I genuinely can't fathom how a new poster would expect to be instantly at that same level of rapport...yet we see it time and again. I know I've certainly made friends on here having been posting since May last year but I never tried to force it. ETA: sorry, I totally messed up the quotes somehow. KitKat, I was referring to you saying how people resent not being part of 'cliques' despite not having allowed rapport to grow.
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Post by Oldnjaded on Mar 5, 2016 14:04:12 GMT
Actually, how do you multiquote on here? I know 'quote' replies to that post, but I can't see a 'more than one' feature? redface4 See, this is why DS is so great - it has MQ facility. making-fun-054
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Post by J-B on Mar 5, 2016 14:11:19 GMT
Actually, how do you multiquote on here? I know 'quote' replies to that post, but I can't see a 'more than one' feature? redface4 See, this is why DS is so great - it has MQ facility. making-fun-054 Alright Onj, click the gear icon next to the quote button, and then select post, if you select a few then hit quote you can multiquote. Thanks.
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Post by Oldnjaded on Mar 5, 2016 14:20:28 GMT
Actually, how do you multiquote on here? I know 'quote' replies to that post, but I can't see a 'more than one' feature? redface4 See, this is why DS is so great - it has MQ facility. making-fun-054 Alright Onj, click the gear icon next to the quote button, and then select post, if you select a few then hit quote you can multiquote. Thanks. Aaah right thank you, you're so clever J-B. *swoons* smiley-biglaugh
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Post by kitkat1971 on Mar 5, 2016 15:34:51 GMT
The times i have seen people accused of 'ganging up' just because they share an opinion or only saying something because somebody else has. Scrabbler has a 'gang' over there apparently!
In all the years i have been posting on various forums i have NEVER private messaged anybody to say "let's all say the same thing so we can get our point of view to appear to be the majority". I find it hard to believe anybody sensibles does. Where would they find the time aside from anything else? Just suggests to me how 'playground' the people making the accusations must be! I know very few posters 'personally' and any I do, it tends to just be because we discovered common interests as topics went off topic so decided to chat privately about them and a 'real' friendship developed from there. MarkC who sometimes posts on here became my friend in that way on Holby TV Community a few years ago, plus they actually used to do forum meet ups so of course you're more likely to 'connect' if you've actually met face to face in a social situation.
Generally the only times i've private messaged somebody is if something very personal and private has come up (like when my Mother was ill and then died some people were kind enough to contact me) or when I've been beating my head against a brick wall about another poster and their 'issues' - Scrabbs, TK and Lotty probably know what I'm referring to!
Just because i happen to agree with another poster does not mean we are 'in league'! But you're accused of it. Like the robroners saying "the usual suspects" when they complain about the complainers.
I've just realised we are all kind of talking elsewhere and forming a posse on the subject here but we're not all going over there and parrotting our views are we?
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Post by CollieWobbles on Mar 5, 2016 15:39:08 GMT
OK, not a Knobron complaint for once, but yet another reason why DS is dying on its arse and deserves to. A long term very popular fm, Mr Bernay had his 10 year Anniversary of being on DS yesterday and another fm, Cuishla, made a thread to congratulate him. It was a lovely gesture - Mr B has rarely missed an ep thread of ED or Corrie in those 10 years, as well as regularly contributing to the HO ep threads. He is unfailingly friendly and always kind and welcoming to newbies and regulars alike. This morning that thread has been moved from Soaps into GD's 'Chatter' forum - almost certainly because some saddo has reported it. I hope both the reporter and the mods are feeling really proud of themselves now. The state of DS these days clearly proves they have got the sort of forum they deserve. smiley-angry FFS really? smiley-angry They've moved MrB's thread (I did see it, I was going to post a comment on it when I can get back) for what reason exactly? DS has completely lost its heart, posters who were fun and amusing got banned, yet the troublemaking dregs get to stay. Nobody interacts anymore because most of it is made up of the permanently offended brigade. The ED threads (minus the Daily) are like a war zone thanks to a certain group of posters who the mods will do nothing about. You get banned for disagreeing over a character and actor, yet you can wander into a thread to purposely wind posters up by trying to be clever. Pandora, Kwynne and myself have all copped a ban for disliking a fictional character (it's painful to type that as its so ludicrous), but some cleverdick smartarse came on to that Aaron-free zone, deliberately baiting with a post going on about 'he who can't be named in this thread' and got no action off the mods whosoever (which I know as I reported it), nor was the post removed. I also sent two complain posts to their help section regarding the problems on the ED threads, one of which they ignored completely , and the other they told me to report the posts so they could deal with it, which I did, and they did sweet FA about it. Yet when someone reports posters for not liking Aaron, or making a lovely thread for a well respected and highly thought of forum member, they can't get their hypocritical arses in gear fast enough smiley-angry . Bait posters and they do nothing about it, but dare to dislike a character and the ban hammer drops quicker than Liz McDonald's diginity free-rolleye-smileys-323 . The double standards on DS stinks. For what it's worth, I'm not sure it was some jealous little dear feeling left out who reported MrB's thread, I think it's far more likely one of the Knobron Nazi's who did it out of spite for the Dailians disliking their precious diddums smiley-angry .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2016 16:11:04 GMT
The clearly prefer the forum to be inpersonal. The thing is, you'll get some jealous Johnny who is annoyed at that thread because he will think that there is a clique he's being left out of. Yes, that will be it - the accusations of 'cliqueiness' or 'gangs' which come up periodically from disgruntled or jealous posters that resent not being part of it despite usually either being very new so that rapport hasn't had time to grow or deeply unpleasant. I do feel DS is clique kk but I would never complain about a post congratulating another member whether it be Mr Bernay or anybody else, however, it is a rather redundant point for me as I have almost stopped posting there altogether now as I feel a lot more welcome here than I ever did on DS. Perhaps it's just because it's a smaller scale forum, or more likely that the Mods on here are not hell bent on making an utter arse of things on here. I don't know who the Mods on DS are but they don't have a Scooby Doo about what is fair, right or judicious.
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