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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 19:01:05 GMT
I have waited for years to see Shirley get her comeuppance but it just doesn't happen.
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Post by maurice45 on May 5, 2015 19:01:51 GMT
So everybody is horrified at Babe's actions and shirley is laughing her head off at the humiliation of having a trifle dumped on her head. Can you imagine what the reaction had been if somebody did that to her even if it were deserved. I agree, the introduction of the Carters has made her worse. Before you could put a lot of it down to her being lonely and unhappy but she gets given these second (third, fourth) chances with her family and she still isn't satisfied, she still goes round snarling at people, threatening them for money rather than doing some graft at the business she has forced her way into and now she has turned on most of her family and wants 'revenge' on them. Horrible, horrible woman. That is another problem I have with Shirley. Yes, she was lonely, perhaps a little bitter, but even then her actions were beyond reasonable and the prats that be were happy to just let it all go. This "pseudo-badass" behaviour is probably the reason why some people on the forums became so obsessive over her, her misdeeds were deemed "cool" and encouraged.
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Post by maurice45 on May 5, 2015 19:07:26 GMT
I really really really hope Babe gets one over Shirley. I'm just about to watch today's ep. EE is so Shirl-centric nowadays I wait until the episodes are recorded then simply forward through her scenes.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 19:10:00 GMT
I really really really hope Babe gets one over Shirley. I'm just about to watch today's ep. EE is so Shirl-centric nowadays I wait until the episodes are recorded then simply forward through her scenes. Make sure you don't fast forward through the birthday speeches from Tina and Martin. Rip roaringly good.
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Post by ScrabblyWabbly on May 5, 2015 19:13:40 GMT
I really really really hope Babe gets one over Shirley. I'm just about to watch today's ep. EE is so Shirl-centric nowadays I wait until the episodes are recorded then simply forward through her scenes. Don't fast forward the one where Babe is in her car and pulls up by Shirley and Buster
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Post by Lotty27 on May 5, 2015 19:19:56 GMT
I have a Mo Mouse strength loathing of Shirley this week - and I haven't even watched tonight's yet! (bloody football, grumble, grumble, grumble).
Laughing at Babe? I hope Babe nails her to the wall.
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Post by ScrabblyWabbly on May 5, 2015 19:22:15 GMT
I have a Mo Mouse strength loathing of Shirley this week - and I haven't even watched tonight's yet! (bloody football, grumble, grumble, grumble). Laughing at Babe? I hope Babe nails her to the wall. I really hope Babe does the dirty on the whole family. She and Linda are my firm faves, Tina following on behind. Couldn't care less about the rest of them now.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 19:23:24 GMT
I have a Mo Mouse strength loathing of Shirley this week - and I haven't even watched tonight's yet! (bloody football, grumble, grumble, grumble). Laughing at Babe? I hope Babe nails her to the wall. Glad to hear it, Lotts. Hating soap characters is one of life's great pleasures. I would never want people like Shirley to actually leave. I enjoy hating her too much. Ditto Leanne in Corrie and Brenda in Emmerdale.
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Post by mellowenchanted on May 5, 2015 19:59:41 GMT
It does seem that with each subsequent executive producer Shirley just gets worse and worse. I personally think she is way past the point of redemption now. A character that is way overdue a heavy dose of karma. That is of no fault to Linda Henry but I'm completely done with Shirley and I doubt I will ever be able to like or sympathise with her again.
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Post by kitkat1971 on May 5, 2015 20:19:40 GMT
Unfortunately Shirley suppose to be worshiped as some kind of tragic as you said heroine who doing things for the right reasons..in her head, she can be as horrible and selfish, irresponsible as she wants as it suppose to be seen as endearing, they want people to see her as Pat except 8 years on Shirley is still as nasty as ever. PAT?!? I'm sure you agree that Shirley is no Pat. She's not fit to wipe her boots. Pat owned her mistakes and took responsibility, no excuses. You're right. Shirley abandoning her kids is excused away. Shooting Phil is excused away. The abuse she hurls at Linda is excused away. Treating Heather like shit a lot of the time is excused away. Being Phil's doormat is excused away. Not grassing on Phil is excused away. Always excuse after excuse for rank to vile behaviour. I swear she could gun down the kids on the square and some people would still excuse it away. (and I'm saying this as someone who most of the time finds Shirley a good character, notice I say that and not 'like' the character. I find it hard to understand how anyone could actually like Shirley.) I so agree about Shirley and the people that defend her actions no matter what. I get that people are entitled to like whatever character they like and moral judgements shouldn't really come into 'enjoying' a fictional character. I get that some people enjoy her acerbic humour and fighting attitude. I get some people root for her as an anti hero and perhaps want her to win the prize (god what a joke the idea of Pohil being a prize is) over more obviously pretty and 'girly' women like Sharon. I especially get that many think Henry is a great actress and just want to see more of her. I get people finding shirley interesting (i find her interesting) but actually 'liking' or even worse admiring her? Nope, i can't understand that at all. Shirley is not Pat. She will never be Poat. I can see why people make the comparison, i actually thought she was very early Pat like when she first arrived but despite all the storylines and families (i'm including Ben and Jay as well as her own) they have thrown at her, she hasn't developed at all. Once Pat got a proper second chance with people giving her a break after being hurt by the Walford attacker and especially Frank reentering her life with the kids, she seized it with both hands and worked, worked and worked again (both practically ane emotionally) to turn her life around and be a good mother. Compare where Pat was 8 and a half years after joining the show as a regular - she was desperately trying to hold her family together working as a cleaner in the pub she'd once owned in the wake of Frank disappearing. She was also putting up with David constantly bringing up her past and not blaming him for it. Not once did she whinge or whine about her lot, expect other people to bail her out or feel sorry for her. I suspect a lot of the people that compare them didn't actually see Pat in the late 80s/early c90s to see how her development actually played out. They just see - bitter ex wife that was hated by her kids due to being a crap mother turned up to make trouble for the family but became a Matriarch with an edge in later years".
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Post by sherwood on May 5, 2015 20:19:48 GMT
What are people's thoughts on what Babe's revenge on Shirl will be? I'm hoping it involves Shirl's utter humiliation, isolation from all her family and the entire Square and Buster declaring his undying love for Sharon. That might cheer me up a little
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Post by kitkat1971 on May 5, 2015 20:24:40 GMT
I really really really hope Babe gets one over Shirley. I'm just about to watch today's ep. EE is so Shirl-centric nowadays I wait until the episodes are recorded then simply forward through her scenes. Can only be about 5 minutes long most days - if that.
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Post by kitkat1971 on May 5, 2015 20:26:57 GMT
I have a Mo Mouse strength loathing of Shirley this week - and I haven't even watched tonight's yet! (bloody football, grumble, grumble, grumble). Laughing at Babe? I hope Babe nails her to the wall. It's not even laughing at Babe to her face - do,'t think she has got the guts for that. She's relating what happened to a laughing baying crowd (who hardly know Babe) at Tina and Sonia's birthday party later which is even worse I think
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Post by Lotty27 on May 5, 2015 21:00:55 GMT
PAT?!? I'm sure you agree that Shirley is no Pat. She's not fit to wipe her boots. Pat owned her mistakes and took responsibility, no excuses. You're right. Shirley abandoning her kids is excused away. Shooting Phil is excused away. The abuse she hurls at Linda is excused away. Treating Heather like shit a lot of the time is excused away. Being Phil's doormat is excused away. Not grassing on Phil is excused away. Always excuse after excuse for rank to vile behaviour. I swear she could gun down the kids on the square and some people would still excuse it away. (and I'm saying this as someone who most of the time finds Shirley a good character, notice I say that and not 'like' the character. I find it hard to understand how anyone could actually like Shirley.) I so agree about Shirley and the people that defend her actions no matter what. I get that people are entitled to like whatever character they like and moral judgements shouldn't really come into 'enjoying' a fictional character. I get that some people enjoy her acerbic humour and fighting attitude. I get some people root for her as an anti hero and perhaps want her to win the prize (god what a joke the idea of Pohil being a prize is) over more obviously pretty and 'girly' women like Sharon. I especially get that many think Henry is a great actress and just want to see more of her. I get people finding shirley interesting (i find her interesting) but actually 'liking' or even worse admiring her? Nope, i can't understand that at all. Shirley is not Pat. She will never be Poat. I can see why people make the comparison, i actually thought she was very early Pat like when she first arrived but despite all the storylines and families (i'm including Ben and Jay as well as her own) they have thrown at her, she hasn't developed at all. Once Pat got a proper second chance with people giving her a break after being hurt by the Walford attacker and especially Frank reentering her life with the kids, she seized it with both hands and worked, worked and worked again (both practically ane emotionally) to turn her life around and be a good mother. Compare where Pat was 8 and a half years after joining the show as a regular - she was desperately trying to hold her family together working as a cleaner in the pub she'd once owned in the wake of Frank disappearing. She was also putting up with David constantly bringing up her past and not blaming him for it. Not once did she whinge or whine about her lot, expect other people to bail her out or feel sorry for her. I suspect a lot of the people that compare them didn't actually see Pat in the late 80s/early c90s to see how her development actually played out. They just see - bitter ex wife that was hated by her kids due to being a crap mother turned up to make trouble for the family but became a Matriarch with an edge in later years". This post deserves to be on the page twice! Brilliant and the reason old timers like me will NEVER see Shirley in the same way as Pat. What do they have in common? Not even the basics. Pat might not have been a great mother but she never abandoned them. Pat was a bloody hard worker whereas we all know Shirley would rather live off a man and not have to do any hard graft. They dealt with their tragedies in their lives in completely different ways. Yes Pat was a bitch when she first arrived but the difference is TPTB evolved her character - has Shirley really changed since she arrived? Not IMO although I'm sure there's posters elsewhere who would completely disagree (as is their right of course) and bring up something that Pat did and compare it to Shirley e.g. Pat running someone over and killing them when she'd had a drink, except Pat paid the price for her actions. She also suffered mentally for a long time for what she'd done and couldn't set foot behind a wheel for years IIRC. Did Shirley show any remorse whatsoever for shooting Phil, accident or not? Er ..... no. Yeah, Shirley's the new Pat *roll eyes* EDIT: I'm not saying Shirley won't end up an iconic character one day (she's already a memorable one if she left tomorrow no one would forget her!) but Shirley is Shirley and Pat is Pat. And Pat was a legend!
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Post by Lotty27 on May 5, 2015 21:25:11 GMT
It does seem that with each subsequent executive producer Shirley just gets worse and worse. I personally think she is way past the point of redemption now. A character that is way overdue a heavy dose of karma. That is of no fault to Linda Henry but I'm completely done with Shirley and I doubt I will ever be able to like or sympathise with her again. I fully understand why you feel like you do and I bet there's loads more out there like you. If DTC is supposed to love the Shirley character he had better be careful because at the moment she's unbearable and many viewers won't forget even when Linda is doing a sterling job of putting on the tears and trying to make people feel sorry for her when the sh!t hits the fan on-screen. How can people forget the abuse she's hurled Linda's way? How she's alienated her previously favourite child Mick? As I really rate Linda Henry as an actress I would like to see Shirley redeemed a bit and soon. They don't have to shave the rough edges off but start making her really pay for her actions instead of people forgiving her after 5 minutes. Have her thinking before she spews her bile. Bring back the wise cracking Shirley who used to be mildly entertaining. It's not rocket science! Angelic Princess gave a great example of what is wrong with the writing for Shirley - Mick nearly being drowned as a kid. When Mick thought it was Stan he nearly drowned HIM, and old and infirm old man, but when he found out it was Shirley she got a hug. WHAT THE F***!?!?!?! That is the kind of thing that needs to stop.
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