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Post by maurice45 on May 5, 2015 21:30:07 GMT
It does seem that with each subsequent executive producer Shirley just gets worse and worse. I personally think she is way past the point of redemption now. A character that is way overdue a heavy dose of karma. That is of no fault to Linda Henry but I'm completely done with Shirley and I doubt I will ever be able to like or sympathise with her again. Yes! You've hit the nail on the head here. She rose to notable notoriety under BK/LN and her loathsomeness has since quadrupled. She was always a nasty piece of work but she seems to be evolving into a more repulsive person each time someone comes in with "fresh ideas for the show". Watching Shirley go about being a meddlesome, spiteful, immature pain in the arse - real original!
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Post by kitkat1971 on May 5, 2015 21:48:31 GMT
I don't think Shirley has changed or developed att all. She has had back story added so developed in that way but the basic core of her and how she lives her life - no lchange at all since 2007.
Frankly, i think most only don't see this because Henry does what she does very well. She gets emotions behind the eyes very well so people think there is depth and evolution there but actually there isn't.
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Post by amber jade on May 6, 2015 14:01:53 GMT
I'm fed up with them both. Luckily we don't get to see Aunt Babe for a while. Shame the same can't be said of Shirley. I wish she'd stop being such a cow. There's no excuse. I used to like Shirley and I hope one day there will be a glimmer of goodness but I can't forget all the horrible things she's done.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 14:03:40 GMT
That's the ticket, aj. Don't forgive her. Ever. Hold a grudge for as long as you can. Never, ever give a two bit lush an even break.
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Post by maurice45 on May 6, 2015 18:22:32 GMT
I don't think Shirley has changed or developed att all. She has had back story added so developed in that way but the basic core of her and how she lives her life - no lchange at all since 2007. Frankly, i think most only don't see this because Henry does what she does very well. She gets emotions behind the eyes very well so people think there is depth and evolution there but actually there isn't. I see what you mean in that she hasn't changed her lifestyle or mindset at all, and that there's been very little character development despite the huge number of characters brought in to prop her up (we get two minutes of her welling up about her family then it's back to me, me me!) What I meant by "evolved" is that, for me personally, she just gradually digs herself deeper into the gutter she's been in for years, and just gets more and more odious. Her underlying characteristics don't change much, but her actions just seem to get worse with age, and in the last year and a half we've had her blackmailing Phil, shooting him, verbally abusing Linda and blindly defending Dean as though he's an innocent little boy, amongst others.
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Post by kitkat1971 on May 6, 2015 19:00:55 GMT
Isn't that devolving rather than evolving?
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Post by maurice45 on May 6, 2015 19:13:28 GMT
Isn't that devolving rather than evolving? Yes, my bad
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Post by 0...0 on May 6, 2015 20:00:27 GMT
I don't hate Shirley, I just find the great clunking gear changes since this producer came in when she's involved in 80% of the storylines and we're invited at considerable length to explore her ever changing back story with her kids, incredibly dull.
I'm done. She could moonwalk through the square, hump the Dalai Llama, or bring back hedgehog flavour crisps and I couldn't be bothered to give a flying .
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Post by 0...0 on May 6, 2015 20:02:45 GMT
It does seem that with each subsequent executive producer Shirley just gets worse and worse. I personally think she is way past the point of redemption now. A character that is way overdue a heavy dose of karma. That is of no fault to Linda Henry but I'm completely done with Shirley and I doubt I will ever be able to like or sympathise with her again. I fully understand why you feel like you do and I bet there's loads more out there like you. If DTC is supposed to love the Shirley character he had better be careful because at the moment she's unbearable and many viewers won't forget even when Linda is doing a sterling job of putting on the tears and trying to make people feel sorry for her when the sh!t hits the fan on-screen. How can people forget the abuse she's hurled Linda's way? How she's alienated her previously favourite child Mick? As I really rate Linda Henry as an actress I would like to see Shirley redeemed a bit and soon. They don't have to shave the rough edges off but start making her really pay for her actions instead of people forgiving her after 5 minutes. Have her thinking before she spews her bile. Bring back the wise cracking Shirley who used to be mildly entertaining. It's not rocket science! Angelic Princess gave a great example of what is wrong with the writing for Shirley - Mick nearly being drowned as a kid. When Mick thought it was Stan he nearly drowned HIM, and old and infirm old man, but when he found out it was Shirley she got a hug. WHAT THE F***!?!?!?! That is the kind of thing that needs to stop. I never understood the drowning thing either.
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Post by maurice45 on May 6, 2015 22:05:51 GMT
I don't hate Shirley, I just find the great clunking gear changes since this producer came in when she's involved in 80% of the storylines and we're invited at considerable length to explore her ever changing back story with her kids, incredibly dull. I'm done. She could moonwalk through the square, hump the Dalai Llama, or bring back hedgehog flavour crisps and I couldn't be bothered to give a flying . Great post with regards to her eclipsing every other character on the show. However, I must hold my hands up and admit that I do hate Shirley. I really do, and I'm sorry if that offends anyone but I wish she'd just disappear into the gutter and never return.
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Post by Lotty27 on May 6, 2015 22:46:09 GMT
I don't think Shirley has changed or developed att all. She has had back story added so developed in that way but the basic core of her and how she lives her life - no lchange at all since 2007. Frankly, i think most only don't see this because Henry does what she does very well. She gets emotions behind the eyes very well so people think there is depth and evolution there but actually there isn't. That's a very good point. If there's any depth it's Linda's! She's actually giving her character characteristics that she probably doesn't have lol! At heart, at the very depths of her soul she's one selfish bitch and that has never changed since the day she set foot on the square. She cried in that scene with Tina in the cafe (where I have to admit due to Linda's acting I felt a bit sorry for her!) about how she just couldn't stand watching Jimbo suffering. I thought about it later and even though it was an explanation once again it was all about HER. She couldn't stand watching Jimbo suffer - what about poor Jimbo who was getting turned upside down and needed his mother?! Did she say the fact that Jimbo had the disability proved that she wasn't worthy or was it that she was being punished? Either way there's no getting away from the fact that it was ME, ME, ME. Even when it came down to her disabled son she put herself first - she couldn't stand watching, so she left. I'm not saying she did it with a clear conscience - but she still did it. And I seem to have gone on an Shirley off topic rant - again! Oooh I've got it in for her since Monday!
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Post by kitkat1971 on May 6, 2015 22:55:50 GMT
No Lotty you are absolutely right.
Whether she felt 'responsible' or not sha had a duty to Jimbo (and his father) to suck it upo and not just abandon him, first by going off and shagging around resulting in the conceptions of Carly and Dean (which it seems happened prety much every night from when Jimbo was a baby) and then walking out all together.
Kevin probably felt like crap about Jimbo too. For all we know he blamed himself for his condition. But he never walked away did he. Not from Jimbo or his wife's bastard children.
It is always, always about Shirley. She is the most selfish character i can remember ever being in a Soap and that is saying something.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 15:43:55 GMT
Trying to decide who I like best between Shirley and Babe is a bit like saying who would you rather be punched in the kidneys by - Mike Tyson or Lennox Lewis ?
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Post by Hayley on May 9, 2015 12:23:13 GMT
No Lotty you are absolutely right. Whether she felt 'responsible' or not sha had a duty to Jimbo (and his father) to suck it upo and not just abandon him, first by going off and shagging around resulting in the conceptions of Carly and Dean (which it seems happened prety much every night from when Jimbo was a baby) and then walking out all together. Kevin probably felt like crap about Jimbo too. For all we know he blamed himself for his condition. But he never walked away did he. Not from Jimbo or his wife's bastard children. It is always, always about Shirley. She is the most selfish character i can remember ever being in a Soap and that is saying something. Spot on! If she doesn't anything selfless for anyone else that doesn't mean she gets anything in return I bloody be surprised, I find it mind boggling that people find her behaviour acceptable the excuses you get for her doing this or that is ludicrous at times.
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