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Post by AngelicPrincess on May 4, 2015 20:00:52 GMT
Posted this on DS I am sure will get flamed but I was thinking.
Babe is trying to stir and emotionally blackmail her way into a share in the vic.
Shirley did the exact same thing.
One difference Babe is actually putting money in, Shirley never did.
Odd how the writers had the evil Babe caught out here but not Shirley?
This is why I dislike Shirley writers always gloss over what she did and make her out to be a heroine. |
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Post by amber jade on May 4, 2015 20:09:07 GMT
I wish Babe would go back to her cave. Where on earth did she get money from anyway ffs. These characters seem to magic it out of thin air half the time.
I wish they'd give the Carters a rest sometimes. These multiple storylines that stem from Dean r*ping Linda can only drag on so long. No other characters seem to have so many different things happening with them.
More of Ronnie, Stacey, Max, Vincent and the Masoods are needed!
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Post by Hayley on May 4, 2015 20:32:19 GMT
Unfortunately Shirley suppose to be worshiped as some kind of tragic as you said heroine who doing things for the right reasons..in her head, she can be as horrible and selfish, irresponsible as she wants as it suppose to be seen as endearing, they want people to see her as Pat except 8 years on Shirley is still as nasty as ever.
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Post by kitkat1971 on May 4, 2015 20:43:09 GMT
Babe has taken out a second mortgage on her house - that is a reasonable explanation for her getting the money together, more than we usually get anyway.
Yes, Shirley was worse in how she got a share, at least Babe is making a financial investment and she does actually work doing the food for them. Shirley did ++++ all in terms of working proper shifts, she'd just sit on the punters side of the bar ordering lock ins.
Babe is so interesting. Yes she clearly has control issues, she needs to be needed and have the power that brings (even if she has to make the problem that she 'solves' in the first place), is manipulative, can be hard and nasty but i think she wants to have a family.
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Post by ScrabblyWabbly on May 4, 2015 20:58:27 GMT
Babe has taken out a second mortgage on her house - that is a reasonable explanation for her getting the money together, more than we usually get anyway. Yes, Shirley was worse in how she got a share, at least Babe is making a financial investment and she does actually work doing the food for them. Shirley did ++++ all in terms of working proper shifts, she'd just sit on the punters side of the bar ordering lock ins. Babe is so interesting. Yes she clearly has control issues, she needs to be needed and have the power that brings (even if she has to make the problem that she 'solves' in the first place), is manipulative, can be hard and nasty but i think she wants to have a family. Babe worked in the merchant navy for years, I presume that's how she could afford to buy her own house. With having to look after Sylvie she seemed to give up work and sold the weed instead, presumably it was less time consuming. And then she supplements her income by doing the odd shift the vic. |
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Post by amber jade on May 5, 2015 16:36:46 GMT
Okay thanks - I must have missed some scenes with relevant info about her
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Post by maurice45 on May 5, 2015 16:48:19 GMT
I fail to understand why we're supposed to feel for Shirley. Not only if the fact that she's being forced down our throats an absolute nightmare, the fact that she seems to have been given undeserved status of "tragic heroine" grinds my gears. She's no heroine. She's Cruella Deville reincarnated!
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Post by ScrabblyWabbly on May 5, 2015 16:51:22 GMT
I fail to understand why we're supposed to feel for Shirley. Not only if the fact that she's being forced down our throats an absolute nightmare, the fact that she seems to have been given undeserved status of "tragic heroine" grinds my gears. She's no heroine. She's Cruella Deville reincarnated! The reason they brought in these additional carters, I thought was to give her some backstory and so we could understand and like her character more. It's had the opposite affect on me. i do like Linda Henry as an actress, however Shirley Carter is diabolical. She's not even a character I love to hate, I just hate. |
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Post by maurice45 on May 5, 2015 16:57:04 GMT
I fail to understand why we're supposed to feel for Shirley. Not only if the fact that she's being forced down our throats an absolute nightmare, the fact that she seems to have been given undeserved status of "tragic heroine" grinds my gears. She's no heroine. She's Cruella Deville reincarnated! The reason they brought in these additional carters, I thought was to give her some backstory and so we could understand and like her character more. It's had the opposite affect on me. i do like Linda Henry as an actress, however Shirley Carter is diabolical. She's not even a character I love to hate, I just hate. Quite. In fact I'd go as far as to say that they've just made her worse by introducing her family, and that says a lot because I didn't think Shirley could fall any lower than the gutter she'd been residing in by the time of Heather's death. I'm finding it incredibly hard to believe that I actually started - not "liking" but not "hating" her just before the start of the Dean saga (aka the Never-ending Story) |
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Post by roverman on May 5, 2015 17:43:37 GMT
Babe has taken out a second mortgage on her house - that is a reasonable explanation for her getting the money together, more than we usually get anyway. Yes, Shirley was worse in how she got a share, at least Babe is making a financial investment and she does actually work doing the food for them. Shirley did ++++ all in terms of working proper shifts, she'd just sit on the punters side of the bar ordering lock ins. Babe is so interesting. Yes she clearly has control issues, she needs to be needed and have the power that brings (even if she has to make the problem that she 'solves' in the first place), is manipulative, can be hard and nasty but i think she wants to have a family. Babe worked in the merchant navy for years, I presume that's how she could afford to buy her own house. With having to look after Sylvie she seemed to give up work and sold the weed instead, presumably it was less time consuming. And then she supplements her income by doing the odd shift the vic. Whilst it is reasonable, its unbelievable that anyone can 'remortgage' their house on the Monday (by phone!) and have the money by Friday. I've worked in the industry for years and no one gets the money that quick. Also at Babe's age there would be a lot of hurdles to jump as the mortgage would take her well into retirement. |
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Post by Lotty27 on May 5, 2015 18:11:46 GMT
Unfortunately Shirley suppose to be worshiped as some kind of tragic as you said heroine who doing things for the right reasons..in her head, she can be as horrible and selfish, irresponsible as she wants as it suppose to be seen as endearing, they want people to see her as Pat except 8 years on Shirley is still as nasty as ever. PAT?!? I'm sure you agree that Shirley is no Pat. She's not fit to wipe her boots. Pat owned her mistakes and took responsibility, no excuses. You're right. Shirley abandoning her kids is excused away. Shooting Phil is excused away. The abuse she hurls at Linda is excused away. Treating Heather like shit a lot of the time is excused away. Being Phil's doormat is excused away. Not grassing on Phil is excused away. Always excuse after excuse for rank to vile behaviour. I swear she could gun down the kids on the square and some people would still excuse it away. (and I'm saying this as someone who most of the time finds Shirley a good character, notice I say that and not 'like' the character. I find it hard to understand how anyone could actually like Shirley.) |
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Post by maurice45 on May 5, 2015 18:25:04 GMT
Unfortunately Shirley suppose to be worshiped as some kind of tragic as you said heroine who doing things for the right reasons..in her head, she can be as horrible and selfish, irresponsible as she wants as it suppose to be seen as endearing, they want people to see her as Pat except 8 years on Shirley is still as nasty as ever. PAT?!? I'm sure you agree that Shirley is no Pat. She's not fit to wipe her boots. Pat owned her mistakes and took responsibility, no excuses. You're right. Shirley abandoning her kids is excused away. Shooting Phil is excused away. The abuse she hurls at Linda is excused away. Treating Heather like shit a lot of the time is excused away. Being Phil's doormat is excused away. Not grassing on Phil is excused away. Always excuse after excuse for rank to vile behaviour. I swear she could gun down the kids on the square and some people would still excuse it away. (and I'm saying this as someone who most of the time finds Shirley a good character, notice I say that and not 'like' the character. I find it hard to understand how anyone could actually like Shirley.) You always get people excusing away the inexcusable, sadly. Worse still is when TPTB themselves excuse away her vile, odious, repulsive behaviour. |
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Post by kitkat1971 on May 5, 2015 18:51:23 GMT
Babe worked in the merchant navy for years, I presume that's how she could afford to buy her own house. With having to look after Sylvie she seemed to give up work and sold the weed instead, presumably it was less time consuming. And then she supplements her income by doing the odd shift the vic. Whilst it is reasonable, its unbelievable that anyone can 'remortgage' their house on the Monday (by phone!) and have the money by Friday. I've worked in the industry for years and no one gets the money that quick. Also at Babe's age there would be a lot of hurdles to jump as the mortgage would take her well into retirement. I suspect she probably looked at the financing weeks ago, as soon as this trouble started if not earlier. In fact, knowing what Babe is like, she has probably been looking for a way in ever since they bought the place. I do agree about her age but perhaps she has a lot of equity in the house and she is just releasing that? Also, if she could prove she is going to be a share holder in a successful business rather than just being employed by somebody else heer age might not be such a problem - especially as haven't there recently been cases taken to the Ombudsman for age discrimination? |
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Post by kitkat1971 on May 5, 2015 18:56:31 GMT
So everybody is horrified at Babe's actions and shirley is laughing her head off at the humiliation of having a trifle dumped on her head. Can you imagine what the reaction had been if somebody did that to her even if it were deserved.
I agree, the introduction of the Carters has made her worse. Before you could put a lot of it down to her being lonely and unhappy but she gets given these second (third, fourth) chances with her family and she still isn't satisfied, she still goes round snarling at people, threatening them for money rather than doing some graft at the business she has forced her way into and now she has turned on most of her family and wants 'revenge' on them.
Horrible, horrible woman.
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Post by ScrabblyWabbly on May 5, 2015 18:59:48 GMT
I really really really hope Babe gets one over Shirley.
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