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Post by Oldnjaded on Feb 19, 2016 13:26:20 GMT
The problem for me is - that I actually WANT to talk about the storyline - I want to talk about what I think is WRONG with it. I do stick my neck above the parapet to get my point across - but my god its tedious with all the flak you end up getting for it. fighting-230 I don't actually hate the characters - I HATE the effing storyline..........with a PASSION m1323 Oh hello by the way - some of youse might know me from t'other place. But the sad truth is - whether we like it or not - Robron are storyline for eternity now. No producer will be brave enough to suffer the social media abuse that these fans will give them if they don't get the "Romance" they want. BiB : Who are yer, who are yer? Welcome, sheepiefart - you're in the right place now.
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Post by Lady W on Feb 19, 2016 13:32:47 GMT
One thing's for sure, Aaron has taught them all well..
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Post by sheepiefarm on Feb 19, 2016 13:39:44 GMT
I wonder if many of the Knobronners hope Knobron will get married after their Robronmance. Ha - Married! - They've got them getting married, setting up home together (Erics house seems to be the favoured option at the moment) and starting a family together. They're in ecstasy at the thought of Aaron's little sister being brought into the show and how great its gonna be if he gets left to look after her. Me - yeah - a young guy who mutilates his body and has decided to get together with the guy who threatened to kill him and his Mum / Paddy, and who also uses violence, threats, blackmail & manipulation to get what he wants - the perfect scenario for bringing up a young female teenager......................but say that - and you get accused of being homophobic cos you're problems is just the fact they're a gay couple ps - sorry - but there may be a few more rants over the coming days - I have so much pent up annoyance at the moment hit-smileys
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Post by kitkat1971 on Feb 19, 2016 13:41:49 GMT
The problem for me is - that I actually WANT to talk about the storyline - I want to talk about what I think is WRONG with it. I do stick my neck above the parapet to get my point across - but my god its tedious with all the flak you end up getting for it. fighting-230 I don't actually hate the characters - I HATE the effing storyline..........with a PASSION m1323 Oh hello by the way - some of youse might know me from t'other place. But the sad truth is - whether we like it or not - Robron are storyline for eternity now. No producer will be brave enough to suffer the social media abuse that these fans will give them if they don't get the "Romance" they want. Hello, welcome and yes, I know you from DS. Great to have you here. I agree. I actually quite like both characters, Robert more so as I'd kind of had enough of Aaron after the Jackson plot but basically he is okay and this storyline with Gordon is good. I would like to be able to discuss them, and the storyline and discuss all aspects, including the things I don't like calmly but that just isn't possible. The pairing, I didn't mind (although i certainly wasn't 'shipping' it) but i actually find child rape being used as a catalyst to bring them back together quite offensive. But they're lapping it up. It's like some badly written "hurt/comfort" fanfiction put on screen!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 13:43:17 GMT
Ahaaaaaa! Just been having a squiz at the thread on DS and it looks like I wasn't far off with my Dean (EE) fans comparison judging by the username of one of the Robronners...they're a big Dean fan too. Explains a lot.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Feb 19, 2016 13:48:54 GMT
Most of them aren't even regular fans of the show - they're "career" m/m shipping fans from across Europe & the Americas - they jump from soap to soap - whichever one is giving them their current m/m shipping fix.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Feb 19, 2016 13:58:55 GMT
Hello, welcome and yes, I know you from DS. Great to have you here. Hello - I recognise you This is what's really got me riled - I find the idea that a soap would stoop to this cheap sensationalism just to buy themselves the voting power of the fandom completely abhorrent - and offensive to me as a gay person. Its treating gay characters like they're just meaningless puppets - only there for the titillation of a certain type of fan who "de-humanises" gay characters into fan-fiction fantasy.
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Post by kitkat1971 on Feb 19, 2016 14:01:18 GMT
Interesting Daktara. I wonder if there is some kind of connection, especially as, as Sheepie says, RobRon is essentially an abusive and violent relationship - both emotionally and physically - Aaron hurts himself, has beaten Robert up as Robert's request and they both threatened each other and their loved ones with alarming regularity whilst the affair was still secret.
That is the danger of saying anything negative about it, accusations of homophobic. That really isn't it, I'd feel the same about any abusive relationship (as evidenced by the fact that i never rooted for Dean with any woman after he raped Linda, or him as a character at all despite having loved him in his first stint) or any relationship dominating threads like this.
But, it is interesting that most of the relationships that have provoked these obsessive fans have been male/male romances. Chryed, Stendan, Robron - why is that? Itk4 nothing new either, look at all the Spock/Kirk slash fiction there used to be in Star Trek paper fanzines? Is it just that homosexual relationships in Soap are still in the minority so they get overyly excited and want to support it when it does happen or is it pure titillation from youngsters (often too young to actually be sexually active themselves) who love the fact that not just one, but two gorgeous men are stripping off at the same time?
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Post by sheepiefarm on Feb 19, 2016 14:17:12 GMT
KitKat71 - its not youngsters - its very female orientated - and its very much comes from the angsty romance of it. Having been around some of these fandoms, I can honestly say that having two men (good looking of course) in some sort of forbidden, angst-driven star-crossed lover scenario is pure & utter catnip to them.
They will wax lyrical for pages about the mindsets of these men and the difficulties they have about "giving in" to each other etc etc etc.
I've always seen it as women transposing women's mindsets into men - its all about the love etc etc - and of course, gay men are the outlet for it - the masculinity of the men, but "loving/ being emotionally driven" like women.
Aaron is the epitome of that - outwardly masculine, both in looks and behaviour - but he has the emotional needs / responses of a teenage girl. Pure Catnip to them.
That's just a broad sweep though - and from my experience of being involved in these fandoms.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 14:18:40 GMT
I agree with Oldnjaded. It's purely because they fancy the actors. Anyone seen the thread calling for Zeedan and Todd to get it on or Aidan Connor to be bisexual? I await Oates' announcement of a hot male, gay romance on Corrie. There's obviously a massive market for it and how many accounts will these obsessives create to ensure the actors win? Twitter is also awash with these Robron fanatics.
It amazes me how these shippers latch onto these pretty boys they fancy. And it's mostly young girls who probably aren't getting any. Gay characters are hardly the minority these days and I don't see anyone shipping Sonia & Tina or Kate & Sophie.
Robron will have to be given their happy ending. Imagine the backlash otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 14:24:14 GMT
KitKat71 - its not youngsters - its very female orientated - and its very much comes from the angsty romance of it. Having been around some of these fandoms, I can honestly say that having two men (good looking of course) in some sort of forbidden, angst-driven start-crossed lover scenario is pure & utter catnip to them. They will wax lyrical for pages about the mindsets of these men and the difficulties they have about "giving in" to each other etc etc etc. I've always seen it as women transposing women's mindsets into men - its all about the love etc etc - and of course, gay men are the outlet for it - the masculinity of the men, but "loving/ being emotionally driven" like women. That's just a broad sweep though - and from my experience of being involved in these fandoms. Interesting post. I just mentioned to somebody elsewhere, if I were a gay bloke I think this type of objectification would bug me.
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Post by Lotty27 on Feb 19, 2016 14:28:37 GMT
Most of them aren't even regular fans of the show - they're "career" m/m shipping fans from across Europe & the Americas - they jump from soap to soap - whichever one is giving them their current m/m shipping fix. I must be incredibly naive because I had no idea this happened!??!?! smiley-yikes People really do this kind of thing? Saddos! smiley-biglaugh Welcome to the forum Sheepie! You'll be able to let rip to your heart's content over here without any kind of "OMG, who cares 'cos they're so cuuuuute!" attitude
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Post by Lady W on Feb 19, 2016 14:32:45 GMT
I agree with Oldnjaded. It's purely because they fancy the actors. Anyone seen the thread calling for Zeedan and Todd to get it on or Aidan Connor to be bisexual? I await Oates' announcement of a hot male, gay romance on Corrie. There's obviously a massive market for it and how many accounts will these obsessives create to ensure the actors win? Twitter is also awash with these Robron fanatics. Say whaaaaaaat?!! Seriously? I've seen the Aidan Connor bisexual thread but Zeedan and Todd?? Just where the hell has that idea come from?!
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Post by kitkat1971 on Feb 19, 2016 14:33:44 GMT
KitKat71 - its not youngsters - its very female orientated - and its very much comes from the angsty romance of it. Having been around some of these fandoms, I can honestly say that having two men (good looking of course) in some sort of forbidden, angst-driven start-crossed lover scenario is pure & utter catnip to them. They will wax lyrical for pages about the mindsets of these men and the difficulties they have about "giving in" to each other etc etc etc. I've always seen it as women transposing women's mindsets into men - its all about the love etc etc - and of course, gay men are the outlet for it - the masculinity of the men, but "loving/ being emotionally driven" like women. Aaron is the epitome of that - outwardly masculine, both in looks and behaviour - but he has the emotions of a teenage girl. Pure Catnip to them. That's just a broad sweep though - and from my experience of being involved in these fandoms. Of course, taken as read it is a generalization, we are not lumping all members of fanbases in together. I'm not at all surprised it is mainly females, I'd have expected that. I remember reading some Blakes 7 slash fanfiction when i was a younger and discussing with somebody (a gay man) that it had obviously been written by somebody with no idea of what two men would actually do in bed together, without going into details, the logistics of the positions just made no sense and were physically impossible unless double jointed and using some kind of trapeze! I can see that - the attraction of the physicality of men which they find appealing combined with the "romeo and romeo" angst of forbidden love and tortured souls. I wonder if they'd become as invested in a ship if both men were out and single from the start, so just met and got it on with no soul searching?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 14:34:05 GMT
It's never 'Ken and Norris' is it! smiley-biglaugh
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